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>Now I sit back and check gumroad a couple times a day; I average $800 in sales per day This is great, but it's also a single anecdote. Clearly there are peop

>Now I sit back and check gumroad a couple times a day; I average $800 in sales per day This is great, but it's also a single anecdote. Clearly there are people for whom it works out. The real test is whether you, or someone using your identical methodology, can repeat it.

austenallred 10y ago
Definitely, but I've talked to a half dozen other authors who self-published and made a grundle. Especially if you either find a niche technology with bad documentation or a widespread technology with a bad problem, there's a lot of cash in it. I think the Meteor.js authors talked about pulling in $500k
- dkersten 10y ago
  but I've talked to a half dozen other authors As the saying goes, the plural of anecdote isn't data. I think the point here is that it's very much dependent on the niche and that your and other successful authors are atypical and doing better than most self published authors. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. Maybe you are completely right. But we won't know from some anecdotes.
  - austenallred 10y ago
    I didn't make the claim that every self published author makes a lot. I made the claim that you can make a lot by self publishing. The opportunity is there.
  - rrherr 10y ago
    "You may have heard the phrase the plural of anecdote is not data. It turns out that this is a misquote. The original aphorism, by the political scientist Ray Wolfinger, was just the opposite: The plural of anecdote is data." http://blog.danwin.com/don-t-forget-the-plural-of-anecdote-is-data/ http://blog.danwin.com/don-t-forget-the-plural-of-anecdote-i...
    - dkersten 10y ago
      The problem with anecdotes is that we don't actually know what the cause of the results was. Maybe its the thing in question, but it could be something else either. That's the whole point of control groups (so you have a baseline to compare against and can filter out "contamination") and double blind tests (so you remove bias). If you have suspect data, throwing more suspect data in the pile doesn't make it less suspect. Anecdotal evidence is just that: unproven possibly suspect data. Having more of these doesn't make it any more reliable. So regardless of the original quote, I stand by the plural of anecdote not being data.
      - rrherr 10y ago
        So your concern isn't just with anecdotes, but with observational data in general? I agree that experimental data is preferred, but sometimes observational data is all we've got, right?
        dkersten 10y ago
        Sure and it can be a good reason to go "oh, that was interesting! Let's study it!" It is not, however, good enough to treat as fact or make any general inferences from because it's not very strong evidence.
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- Cpoll 10y ago
  Isn't that selection bias? You wouldn't know about the authors that self-published and sold two copies.
nathanbarry 10y ago
I've had 50+ similar stories end up in my inbox. So I agree that these stories are a lot more common than people think.
- xiaoma 10y ago
  Perhaps, but how many copies of your book Authority have you sold? 50 success stories is a tiny fraction compared to the number who have bought a high-price book targeted at ebook authors. Then, when you consider the hundreds of thousands or millions of people who tried selling ebooks without buying your book to help them, it's clear that the OP had very atypical results.
marcosdumay 10y ago
If you are writing a book, the average result you should expect is $0. (Like doing an startup.) The GP point is that publishers also cap the upside of the deal. While self publishing, if you win the unicorn lottery, you'll get an unicorn sized reward.

austenallred 10y ago

Definitely, but I've talked to a half dozen other authors who self-published and made a grundle. Especially if you either find a niche technology with bad documentation or a widespread technology with a bad problem, there's a lot of cash in it. I think the Meteor.js authors talked about pulling in $500k

dkersten 10y ago
but I've talked to a half dozen other authors As the saying goes, the plural of anecdote isn't data. I think the point here is that it's very much dependent on the niche and that your and other successful authors are atypical and doing better than most self published authors. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. Maybe you are completely right. But we won't know from some anecdotes.
- austenallred 10y ago
  I didn't make the claim that every self published author makes a lot. I made the claim that you can make a lot by self publishing. The opportunity is there.
- rrherr 10y ago
  "You may have heard the phrase the plural of anecdote is not data. It turns out that this is a misquote. The original aphorism, by the political scientist Ray Wolfinger, was just the opposite: The plural of anecdote is data." http://blog.danwin.com/don-t-forget-the-plural-of-anecdote-is-data/ http://blog.danwin.com/don-t-forget-the-plural-of-anecdote-i...
  - dkersten 10y ago
    The problem with anecdotes is that we don't actually know what the cause of the results was. Maybe its the thing in question, but it could be something else either. That's the whole point of control groups (so you have a baseline to compare against and can filter out "contamination") and double blind tests (so you remove bias). If you have suspect data, throwing more suspect data in the pile doesn't make it less suspect. Anecdotal evidence is just that: unproven possibly suspect data. Having more of these doesn't make it any more reliable. So regardless of the original quote, I stand by the plural of anecdote not being data.
    - rrherr 10y ago
      So your concern isn't just with anecdotes, but with observational data in general? I agree that experimental data is preferred, but sometimes observational data is all we've got, right?
      - dkersten 10y ago
        Sure and it can be a good reason to go "oh, that was interesting! Let's study it!" It is not, however, good enough to treat as fact or make any general inferences from because it's not very strong evidence.
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Cpoll 10y ago
Isn't that selection bias? You wouldn't know about the authors that self-published and sold two copies.

nathanbarry 10y ago

I've had 50+ similar stories end up in my inbox. So I agree that these stories are a lot more common than people think.

xiaoma 10y ago
Perhaps, but how many copies of your book Authority have you sold? 50 success stories is a tiny fraction compared to the number who have bought a high-price book targeted at ebook authors. Then, when you consider the hundreds of thousands or millions of people who tried selling ebooks without buying your book to help them, it's clear that the OP had very atypical results.

marcosdumay 10y ago

If you are writing a book, the average result you should expect is $0. (Like doing an startup.) The GP point is that publishers also cap the upside of the deal. While self publishing, if you win the unicorn lottery, you'll get an unicorn sized reward.