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Couldn't a speedy entry process be negotiated? My guess though is that the EU won't be keen on the UK splitting up and thus won't encourage it by providing Sco

by df3 10y ago

Couldn't a speedy entry process be negotiated? My guess though is that the EU won't be keen on the UK splitting up and thus won't encourage it by providing Scotland a quick ascension. This is also a wonderful bargaining chip for the EU to play against Theresa May in negotiating the terms of the UK's exit.

ceejayoz 10y ago
> This is also a wonderful bargaining chip for the EU to play against Theresa May in negotiating the terms of the UK's exit. Yup. "You lot can leave, but we'll take Scotland. Your choice."
- lessisntmore 10y ago
  It's a terrible bargaining chip. Want to encourage separatist movements across the EU (think Catalonia) then this would be a great way to do it.
- pjc50 10y ago
  Not to mention Gibraltar - everyone's overlooked this tiny rock, but Gibraltar is entirely dependent on EU freedom of movement and voted very heavily remain. It's not a coincidence that there was a Gibraltar diplomatic mission to the SNP conference, although I'm not entirely clear what they wanted other than solidarity against Brexit. Maybe Spain would let in Scotland and claim Gibraltar as their own?
  - dagenleg 10y ago
    Why would they claim it as their own if the population is not Spanish?
    - ceejayoz 10y ago
      Short version: look at a map. Long version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_status_of_Gibraltar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_status_of_Gibraltar
      - dagenleg 10y ago
        If the population does not want to be part of the country, one cannot just annex the territory in the modern times.
        ceejayoz 10y ago
        Correct. That said, if the UK leaves the EU, and freedom of movement goes away, the opinions of Gibraltar's residents may change fairly rapidly.
  - RobertoG 10y ago
    Spain is already claiming Gibraltar as its own. Is just that not the UK neither the people in Gibraltar want that. But yes, Gibraltar could face some problems when the UK leave the UE.
- zigzigzag 10y ago
  You're assuming the EU will want it. Germans are going to face a large hike in their contributions to the EU in the next few years as the UK leaves, as the EU appears to be utterly incapable of actually spending less (despite now having diminished responsibility). That's just not in its nature. So then Scotland comes along. The best available data says it's an economic basket case significantly worse than Greece. The UK subsidises it to a great extent for historical and cultural reasons that don't apply to Germany. Meanwhile, 40% of Scotland voted out of the EU as well. If you're German and already questioning whether you should be subsidising lots of low productivity high debt Mediterranean countries, does the thought of waiving the entry requirements and then paying even more taxes to subsidise a new Greece appeal to you?
  - Boothroid 10y ago
    Don't know why this has been downvoted. It's on topic and not even a particularly controversial line of argument. I'd hate to think downvotes were happening due to prejudice, but it does seem that the left wing wants to suppress differing opinion these days.

by df3 10y ago

ceejayoz 10y ago

> This is also a wonderful bargaining chip for the EU to play against Theresa May in negotiating the terms of the UK's exit. Yup. "You lot can leave, but we'll take Scotland. Your choice."

lessisntmore 10y ago
It's a terrible bargaining chip. Want to encourage separatist movements across the EU (think Catalonia) then this would be a great way to do it.
pjc50 10y ago
Not to mention Gibraltar - everyone's overlooked this tiny rock, but Gibraltar is entirely dependent on EU freedom of movement and voted very heavily remain. It's not a coincidence that there was a Gibraltar diplomatic mission to the SNP conference, although I'm not entirely clear what they wanted other than solidarity against Brexit. Maybe Spain would let in Scotland and claim Gibraltar as their own?
- dagenleg 10y ago
  Why would they claim it as their own if the population is not Spanish?
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    Short version: look at a map. Long version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_status_of_Gibraltar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_status_of_Gibraltar
    - dagenleg 10y ago
      If the population does not want to be part of the country, one cannot just annex the territory in the modern times.
      - ceejayoz 10y ago
        Correct. That said, if the UK leaves the EU, and freedom of movement goes away, the opinions of Gibraltar's residents may change fairly rapidly.
- RobertoG 10y ago
  Spain is already claiming Gibraltar as its own. Is just that not the UK neither the people in Gibraltar want that. But yes, Gibraltar could face some problems when the UK leave the UE.
zigzigzag 10y ago
You're assuming the EU will want it. Germans are going to face a large hike in their contributions to the EU in the next few years as the UK leaves, as the EU appears to be utterly incapable of actually spending less (despite now having diminished responsibility). That's just not in its nature. So then Scotland comes along. The best available data says it's an economic basket case significantly worse than Greece. The UK subsidises it to a great extent for historical and cultural reasons that don't apply to Germany. Meanwhile, 40% of Scotland voted out of the EU as well. If you're German and already questioning whether you should be subsidising lots of low productivity high debt Mediterranean countries, does the thought of waiving the entry requirements and then paying even more taxes to subsidise a new Greece appeal to you?
- Boothroid 10y ago
  Don't know why this has been downvoted. It's on topic and not even a particularly controversial line of argument. I'd hate to think downvotes were happening due to prejudice, but it does seem that the left wing wants to suppress differing opinion these days.