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Ask HN: Who's running a profitable productized service?

58 points by jiavascriptr 10y ago

What's the service? What are you generating? What's your biggest takeaway?

JackuB 10y ago
https://www.indiehackers.com/businesses https://www.indiehackers.com/businesses Have a nice list with interviews
- jetti 10y ago
  The problem with just linking to Indie Hackers is that most are not productized services but actual products. That means people are going to have to search through each business to try and find an actual productized service.
- jiavascriptr 10y ago
  Those aren't services. Those are mostly products and SaaS
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fairpx 10y ago
I'm running http://fairpixels.co http://fairpixels.co, a logo design service which we've set up as a productised service (removing all the back and forth hassle and packaging it as a product) It's been doing well, with over $80k made last year. Biggest takeaway is that packaging a service like a product doesn't just make things easier for the service provider, it's actually a much better/smoother experience for the customer.
- jt2190 10y ago
  > It's been doing well, with over $80k made last year. Profitable, and 80k revenue, I presume? (Original question asked whether profitable, but these kinds of discussions often mention revenue.)
- jiavascriptr 10y ago
  I saw you guys launch http://logodust.com/plus/ http://logodust.com/plus/ the other day. Very cool
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- snsr 10y ago
  Your landing page gives a fantastic first impression (having not used the service).
einarvollset 10y ago
I ran Appaftercare.com until I sold it last year. Biggest thing after a while became being able to sell using traditional SaaS/enterprise software methods
- jiavascriptr 10y ago
  Wow! How did you manage to sell a service that relies on your personal skillset? Care to share the $ region it sold for?
  - einarvollset 10y ago
    When it sold, I was not doing any of the technical stuff. This took some time to execute on though, as it did start out with just me doing everything.
dagi3d 10y ago
You can read about some of them at https://indiehackers.com https://indiehackers.com
- jetti 10y ago
  Most aren't services but products and apps. Finding the services in a sea of products/apps is going to be more work than it is worth for a question like this.
khuknows 10y ago
I'm running https://userflowpro.com/ https://userflowpro.com/ which is currently making just under 1k a month, so not quite profitable yet, but still young. The service is competitor product monitoring. I essentially get recordings of competitor products and highlight any changes since the previous recordings. It's common for product managers etc to check what their competitors are up to, so this saves them time and ensures they don't miss anything.
- mod 10y ago
  Your infrastructure costs more than 1k/month? Or people?
foxhop 10y ago
I'm running a profitable productized service called LinkPeek (https://linkpeek.com https://linkpeek.com) Web page screen shots as a service. My biggest take away is that Hacker News is typically not my target market. I don't think I have ever converted HN user into a paying customer.
- mattnewton 10y ago
  Probably because we all think it's easier than it is to roll our own webdriver-based solution. Source: rolled my own screenshot-diffing webdriver service
  - sixtypoundhound 10y ago
    That's the blind spot of being technically competent. You would be amazed at what the average person considers hard. For example, the idea of converting a repeatable calculation into an Excel worksheet is regarded as arcane black magic by a fraction of the professional population. Automating a repetitive task with Excel macros? Whoa there, cowboy... Gonna have to get IT involved...
- Nadya 10y ago
  >My biggest take away is that Hacker News is typically not my target market. I don't think I have ever converted HN user into a paying customer. While "Capture full-size or full-height screenshots" is likely a large selling point for less-technical users, I would initially close the tab right after thinking it was yet-another-make-screenshotting-fullpage-websites-easier-tool for less technical users. The thinking for Firefox users probably goes "Why would I pay for `screenshot --fullpage`" or for many others, "Why would I pay for what is essentially Sharex?" They likely ignore the automation parts of the service, because they aren't making it that far into your marketing: >store them, serve them, and make sure they stay fresh and updated. Just my $0.02 for why you probably don't get any HN users. I think your marketing is better as-is catering to either the less-technical crowds or the technical-crowds that make it far enough in your marketing than if you changed it to market towards technical people who make assumptions after reading one feature. :)
thibaut_barrere 10y ago
I'm in the process of productizing a part of my ETL consulting services (building data intensive SaaS apps, ETL jobs or ETL-baked apps, or more generally any data transformation / data sync / migration), by shipping a reusable toolbox of Ruby ETL components (which is called Kiba Pro and is a yearly subscription enhanced version of http://www.kiba-etl.org http://www.kiba-etl.org) then later training resources for subscribers. What I'm generating is improved skills & results in terms of data processing for the team, accelerated ETL workloads or "onboarding" on new ETL. My biggest takeaway is that it's great to have both a sellable toolbox & a closely related consulting offer, because the components are nurtured by my consulting experiences and the reverse is also true. My efforts are fairly aligned together, which is great. Before starting that, I made sure to be clear on IP and build a contract which makes me keep ownership & IP of the code I write & adapt, all while apportioning rights fairly for my consulting clients to use.
bmaeser 10y ago
i think we need to define what a "productized service" is. they are not: apps, saas, products (books, courses,..), fixed bids on custom projekts or anything you bill by the hour. a productized service is: something you do very well, has a very narrow and fixed scope, you normally would bill this by the hour. think of it like writing a custom proposal but sell it to anyone at the same price. some examples: - i change the car oil for x usd. - checking a website for responsiveness and show you the biggest mistakes and how to fix them for x usd. (website teardown) - a/b testing an online shop to increase conversion by 5% i myself am in the middle of turning my freelance sysadmin/devops business into a productized service, so i am eager to hear what ppl on hn had success with - and what did not work out for them. a great ressource on this topic is pretty much anything Jonathan Stark is publishing: https://expensiveproblem.com/ https://expensiveproblem.com/ and http://www.ditchinghourly.com/ http://www.ditchinghourly.com/
- atsaloli 10y ago
  Thanks for defining "productized service", @bmaeser. My training service qualifies. It's private on-site training; with a small but growing course catalog. After a couple of false starts, I've priced it to guarantee profitability: I take into account my time off regular work (initially salaried, and now hourly-billed consulting), travel expenses and student materials. List price is 3K per day plus 2K admin fee. My last sale was 5K for a day of training on GitLab CI. My biggest sale was 25K for two one-week classes on configuration management. Productizing my service allowed me to streamline sales -- I don't have to think about how much to charge -- and it guarantees profitability. I need to learn/do more marketing and sales to get to 6 figures. This is still "hobby" grade, income wise. (Can't support a family on it!)
momentmaker 10y ago
I'm running iPanoramaPrints (https://ipanoramaprints.com https://ipanoramaprints.com). It's a niche site for printing panorama photos. Profit under 1k/month.
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martinald 10y ago
We started apptype.io as a service to convert PSDs, Sketch files etc into mobile app front end code. Going well from our existing network but not sure how to market it otherwise.
147 10y ago
I find it challenging to figure out how to do productized consulting as a developer other than the ol' 'I make you an entire MVP for X dollars'. It's probably because the deliverable is hard to narrow down. Whenever I see examples of productized service businesses, it's something that provides relief for an on-going pain or has a clear deliverable. Examples of the former: A/B testing, App After Care, Dan Norris' Wordpress support, FB / Google Ad management Examples of the latter: Design a thing and deliver it to you, Write a blog post/do content, SEO. Anybody have any luck approaching doing a productized service as a developer? I think I'm approaching it wrong. I think what it should look like is that you have a 'product' or set of components built and you do a little bit of customization for each client and deliver it.

58 points by jiavascriptr 10y ago

What's the service? What are you generating? What's your biggest takeaway?

JackuB 10y ago

https://www.indiehackers.com/businesses https://www.indiehackers.com/businesses Have a nice list with interviews

jetti 10y ago
The problem with just linking to Indie Hackers is that most are not productized services but actual products. That means people are going to have to search through each business to try and find an actual productized service.
jiavascriptr 10y ago
Those aren't services. Those are mostly products and SaaS
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fairpx 10y ago

I'm running http://fairpixels.co http://fairpixels.co, a logo design service which we've set up as a productised service (removing all the back and forth hassle and packaging it as a product) It's been doing well, with over $80k made last year. Biggest takeaway is that packaging a service like a product doesn't just make things easier for the service provider, it's actually a much better/smoother experience for the customer.

jt2190 10y ago
> It's been doing well, with over $80k made last year. Profitable, and 80k revenue, I presume? (Original question asked whether profitable, but these kinds of discussions often mention revenue.)
jiavascriptr 10y ago
I saw you guys launch http://logodust.com/plus/ http://logodust.com/plus/ the other day. Very cool
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snsr 10y ago
Your landing page gives a fantastic first impression (having not used the service).

einarvollset 10y ago

I ran Appaftercare.com until I sold it last year. Biggest thing after a while became being able to sell using traditional SaaS/enterprise software methods

jiavascriptr 10y ago
Wow! How did you manage to sell a service that relies on your personal skillset? Care to share the $ region it sold for?
- einarvollset 10y ago
  When it sold, I was not doing any of the technical stuff. This took some time to execute on though, as it did start out with just me doing everything.

dagi3d 10y ago

You can read about some of them at https://indiehackers.com https://indiehackers.com

jetti 10y ago
Most aren't services but products and apps. Finding the services in a sea of products/apps is going to be more work than it is worth for a question like this.

khuknows 10y ago

I'm running https://userflowpro.com/ https://userflowpro.com/ which is currently making just under 1k a month, so not quite profitable yet, but still young. The service is competitor product monitoring. I essentially get recordings of competitor products and highlight any changes since the previous recordings. It's common for product managers etc to check what their competitors are up to, so this saves them time and ensures they don't miss anything.

mod 10y ago
Your infrastructure costs more than 1k/month? Or people?

foxhop 10y ago

I'm running a profitable productized service called LinkPeek (https://linkpeek.com https://linkpeek.com) Web page screen shots as a service. My biggest take away is that Hacker News is typically not my target market. I don't think I have ever converted HN user into a paying customer.

mattnewton 10y ago
Probably because we all think it's easier than it is to roll our own webdriver-based solution. Source: rolled my own screenshot-diffing webdriver service
- sixtypoundhound 10y ago
  That's the blind spot of being technically competent. You would be amazed at what the average person considers hard. For example, the idea of converting a repeatable calculation into an Excel worksheet is regarded as arcane black magic by a fraction of the professional population. Automating a repetitive task with Excel macros? Whoa there, cowboy... Gonna have to get IT involved...
Nadya 10y ago
>My biggest take away is that Hacker News is typically not my target market. I don't think I have ever converted HN user into a paying customer. While "Capture full-size or full-height screenshots" is likely a large selling point for less-technical users, I would initially close the tab right after thinking it was yet-another-make-screenshotting-fullpage-websites-easier-tool for less technical users. The thinking for Firefox users probably goes "Why would I pay for `screenshot --fullpage`" or for many others, "Why would I pay for what is essentially Sharex?" They likely ignore the automation parts of the service, because they aren't making it that far into your marketing: >store them, serve them, and make sure they stay fresh and updated. Just my $0.02 for why you probably don't get any HN users. I think your marketing is better as-is catering to either the less-technical crowds or the technical-crowds that make it far enough in your marketing than if you changed it to market towards technical people who make assumptions after reading one feature. :)

thibaut_barrere 10y ago

I'm in the process of productizing a part of my ETL consulting services (building data intensive SaaS apps, ETL jobs or ETL-baked apps, or more generally any data transformation / data sync / migration), by shipping a reusable toolbox of Ruby ETL components (which is called Kiba Pro and is a yearly subscription enhanced version of http://www.kiba-etl.org http://www.kiba-etl.org) then later training resources for subscribers. What I'm generating is improved skills & results in terms of data processing for the team, accelerated ETL workloads or "onboarding" on new ETL. My biggest takeaway is that it's great to have both a sellable toolbox & a closely related consulting offer, because the components are nurtured by my consulting experiences and the reverse is also true. My efforts are fairly aligned together, which is great. Before starting that, I made sure to be clear on IP and build a contract which makes me keep ownership & IP of the code I write & adapt, all while apportioning rights fairly for my consulting clients to use.

bmaeser 10y ago

i think we need to define what a "productized service" is. they are not: apps, saas, products (books, courses,..), fixed bids on custom projekts or anything you bill by the hour. a productized service is: something you do very well, has a very narrow and fixed scope, you normally would bill this by the hour. think of it like writing a custom proposal but sell it to anyone at the same price. some examples: - i change the car oil for x usd. - checking a website for responsiveness and show you the biggest mistakes and how to fix them for x usd. (website teardown) - a/b testing an online shop to increase conversion by 5% i myself am in the middle of turning my freelance sysadmin/devops business into a productized service, so i am eager to hear what ppl on hn had success with - and what did not work out for them. a great ressource on this topic is pretty much anything Jonathan Stark is publishing: https://expensiveproblem.com/ https://expensiveproblem.com/ and http://www.ditchinghourly.com/ http://www.ditchinghourly.com/

atsaloli 10y ago
Thanks for defining "productized service", @bmaeser. My training service qualifies. It's private on-site training; with a small but growing course catalog. After a couple of false starts, I've priced it to guarantee profitability: I take into account my time off regular work (initially salaried, and now hourly-billed consulting), travel expenses and student materials. List price is 3K per day plus 2K admin fee. My last sale was 5K for a day of training on GitLab CI. My biggest sale was 25K for two one-week classes on configuration management. Productizing my service allowed me to streamline sales -- I don't have to think about how much to charge -- and it guarantees profitability. I need to learn/do more marketing and sales to get to 6 figures. This is still "hobby" grade, income wise. (Can't support a family on it!)

momentmaker 10y ago

I'm running iPanoramaPrints (https://ipanoramaprints.com https://ipanoramaprints.com). It's a niche site for printing panorama photos. Profit under 1k/month.

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martinald 10y ago

We started apptype.io as a service to convert PSDs, Sketch files etc into mobile app front end code. Going well from our existing network but not sure how to market it otherwise.

147 10y ago

I find it challenging to figure out how to do productized consulting as a developer other than the ol' 'I make you an entire MVP for X dollars'. It's probably because the deliverable is hard to narrow down. Whenever I see examples of productized service businesses, it's something that provides relief for an on-going pain or has a clear deliverable. Examples of the former: A/B testing, App After Care, Dan Norris' Wordpress support, FB / Google Ad management Examples of the latter: Design a thing and deliver it to you, Write a blog post/do content, SEO. Anybody have any luck approaching doing a productized service as a developer? I think I'm approaching it wrong. I think what it should look like is that you have a 'product' or set of components built and you do a little bit of customization for each client and deliver it.