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I wish comments were scored in a way that was weighted by the degree of bravery it took to write them. What a shame that most of the top comments here are bori

I wish comments were scored in a way that was weighted by the degree of bravery it took to write them. What a shame that most of the top comments here are boring, stand-up-for-the-vulnerable types agreed with by the majority— "women face difficulties in tech, and we should help them whenever we can"—while the downvoted posts are the ones trying (not necessarily successfully) to arrive at politically incorrect truths.

om2 10y ago
All debates are bravery debates. https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/06/09/all-debates-are-bravery-debates/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/06/09/all-debates-are-braver...
nickpsecurity 10y ago
They are. The mechanism greys them out quickly due to downvotes followed by ungreying later due to upvotes if the post was substantive with citations. It's what happened to me early on countering BS that was popular.
BadassFractal 10y ago
Very much this. It's the easy, trite, safe, politically correct position to take. You get a pat on the back for being a good moral upstanding person according to the mores du jour. You feel good. No hard conversations are had. It becomes a cult. People are burned at the proverbial stake for not subscribing to the Geocentric model.
Mz 10y ago
It is incredibly hard to have a good discussion about this topic. I think it is getting better on Hacker News, but there is still a lot of work to do. I sometimes write about such topics, but can't get much traction. A few of my pieces have gotten a few thousand page views, mostly on HN, but most of what I write is largely ignored. If you want something meatier, you might enjoy my personal blog. Best.
- dongslol 10y ago
  I'll check it out.
danso 10y ago
Why should we expect "bravery" or novelty to correlate with "insightful"?
handojin 10y ago
Perhaps you could share these politically incorrect /truths/? I'm not through the thread but I'm missing them.
- ziikutv 10y ago
  Main one being about the wage gaps being inflated. Not sure if thats true. Additionally, why don't we speak about rights of minorities on this forum. I don't think xor meant anything negative by this. A good question to ask but I guess not today?
  - kampkrusty 10y ago
    "why don't we speak about rights of minorities on this forum." Yo, you post here. You're factually, actively posting and could post about rights of minorities, too. So I'm asking you: why don't you post about these things? Why is it something only brought up as an ideal in a discussion that's about something else, but not something done by you on its own without outside consensus or approval? What has stopped you so far? Think a lot about this for the rest of your life. Seriously. I have, and it's revealed a lot of truths I was too stubborn to see about myself. I feel dumb for not being introspective, thoughtful, and self-critical about my own set ways and behavior at a younger age. I thought I was, but I was in my own world, rarely challenging myself on new information.
  - fatbird 10y ago
    We do speak about minorities; others have provided links. Bringing it up here, now, though, is deflecting from the actual topic at hand, which is a sadly common tactic in discussions like this.
    - ziikutv 10y ago
      I think what one person said about this really hit home for me. Rising tides raise all boats or something like that. Btw I was just summarizing the various points brought up in other comments for the person who asked.
kazagistar 10y ago
That's why reddit has a sort by controvertial.
ziikutv 10y ago
Simple. Do soldiers reason when given orders? Do sheep flock alone? This forum, like most places is no different. Regardless of what you are trying to say, best to just stfu because there will be another person awaiting to single their virtues. Also, 99% of stats on the internet are bullshit, including this one. Take everything with a grain of salt and just be a nice person. That's my motto. In addition to don't raise pitch forks when I hear a stat Happy woman's day.

om2 10y ago

All debates are bravery debates. https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/06/09/all-debates-are-bravery-debates/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/06/09/all-debates-are-braver...

nickpsecurity 10y ago

They are. The mechanism greys them out quickly due to downvotes followed by ungreying later due to upvotes if the post was substantive with citations. It's what happened to me early on countering BS that was popular.

BadassFractal 10y ago

Very much this. It's the easy, trite, safe, politically correct position to take. You get a pat on the back for being a good moral upstanding person according to the mores du jour. You feel good. No hard conversations are had. It becomes a cult. People are burned at the proverbial stake for not subscribing to the Geocentric model.

Mz 10y ago

It is incredibly hard to have a good discussion about this topic. I think it is getting better on Hacker News, but there is still a lot of work to do. I sometimes write about such topics, but can't get much traction. A few of my pieces have gotten a few thousand page views, mostly on HN, but most of what I write is largely ignored. If you want something meatier, you might enjoy my personal blog. Best.

dongslol 10y ago
I'll check it out.

danso 10y ago

Why should we expect "bravery" or novelty to correlate with "insightful"?

handojin 10y ago

Perhaps you could share these politically incorrect /truths/? I'm not through the thread but I'm missing them.

ziikutv 10y ago
Main one being about the wage gaps being inflated. Not sure if thats true. Additionally, why don't we speak about rights of minorities on this forum. I don't think xor meant anything negative by this. A good question to ask but I guess not today?
- kampkrusty 10y ago
  "why don't we speak about rights of minorities on this forum." Yo, you post here. You're factually, actively posting and could post about rights of minorities, too. So I'm asking you: why don't you post about these things? Why is it something only brought up as an ideal in a discussion that's about something else, but not something done by you on its own without outside consensus or approval? What has stopped you so far? Think a lot about this for the rest of your life. Seriously. I have, and it's revealed a lot of truths I was too stubborn to see about myself. I feel dumb for not being introspective, thoughtful, and self-critical about my own set ways and behavior at a younger age. I thought I was, but I was in my own world, rarely challenging myself on new information.
- fatbird 10y ago
  We do speak about minorities; others have provided links. Bringing it up here, now, though, is deflecting from the actual topic at hand, which is a sadly common tactic in discussions like this.
  - ziikutv 10y ago
    I think what one person said about this really hit home for me. Rising tides raise all boats or something like that. Btw I was just summarizing the various points brought up in other comments for the person who asked.

kazagistar 10y ago

That's why reddit has a sort by controvertial.

ziikutv 10y ago

Simple. Do soldiers reason when given orders? Do sheep flock alone? This forum, like most places is no different. Regardless of what you are trying to say, best to just stfu because there will be another person awaiting to single their virtues. Also, 99% of stats on the internet are bullshit, including this one. Take everything with a grain of salt and just be a nice person. That's my motto. In addition to don't raise pitch forks when I hear a stat Happy woman's day.