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That is a straw man argument. Saying that a lot more money is spent elsewhere does not refute the potential effects of welfare. Also claiming that tax reductio

That is a straw man argument. Saying that a lot more money is spent elsewhere does not refute the potential effects of welfare. Also claiming that tax reduction is a form of welfare if very disingenuous since basically that would mean the State would be entitled to take all of your profit by default... meaning any amount of profit allowed would be welfare.

stephancoral 10y ago
Where's the straw man I'm constructing? I'm just saying that no liberty is being eroded (in fact the opposite) and that any monetary objections to welfare are absurd in proportion to the frothiness spewed about in forums. I've been on welfare before. It quite literally saved my life and helped me out big time. Now I run a very profitable business and give back much to the society and community that helped me out. Anyone who rants and raves about welfare probably hasn't actually been on it - it's almost a starvation wage, but it can make a serious difference. The people who rant about 'freedom' and 'liberty' don't seem to mind when you give those up working for a private sector corp or the erosions caused by massive firms lobbying congress to write employment and tax laws in their favor. Also corporate welfare isn't the same thing as regular "welfare" - try looking up some terms before you post in here so you don't look like a dumbass. Because "corporate welfare" is quite literally defined as the subsidy of private business by government using incentives such as tax reductions / abatements.
- mvitorino 10y ago
  Yup, I just looked up "dumbass" and it's not nice. Way to go in trying to keep the discussion civil. If you were paying attention, you would see I never said I was against welfare. Only that you can't have a decent debate on this subject and completely ignore it.
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nikdaheratik 10y ago
It's not a "straw man", it's more like reductio ad absurdum. And if you'll remember the 1990s, the entire plan to cut welfare benefits was premised on the Earned Income Tax Credit taking up the slack. Which actually worked in some ways though, if anything, it makes it easier for single mothers to provide for a family by working a low wage job. Which has distorted the "marriage market" though in different ways from the welfare benefit.

stephancoral 10y ago

Where's the straw man I'm constructing? I'm just saying that no liberty is being eroded (in fact the opposite) and that any monetary objections to welfare are absurd in proportion to the frothiness spewed about in forums. I've been on welfare before. It quite literally saved my life and helped me out big time. Now I run a very profitable business and give back much to the society and community that helped me out. Anyone who rants and raves about welfare probably hasn't actually been on it - it's almost a starvation wage, but it can make a serious difference. The people who rant about 'freedom' and 'liberty' don't seem to mind when you give those up working for a private sector corp or the erosions caused by massive firms lobbying congress to write employment and tax laws in their favor. Also corporate welfare isn't the same thing as regular "welfare" - try looking up some terms before you post in here so you don't look like a dumbass. Because "corporate welfare" is quite literally defined as the subsidy of private business by government using incentives such as tax reductions / abatements.

mvitorino 10y ago
Yup, I just looked up "dumbass" and it's not nice. Way to go in trying to keep the discussion civil. If you were paying attention, you would see I never said I was against welfare. Only that you can't have a decent debate on this subject and completely ignore it.

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nikdaheratik 10y ago

It's not a "straw man", it's more like reductio ad absurdum. And if you'll remember the 1990s, the entire plan to cut welfare benefits was premised on the Earned Income Tax Credit taking up the slack. Which actually worked in some ways though, if anything, it makes it easier for single mothers to provide for a family by working a low wage job. Which has distorted the "marriage market" though in different ways from the welfare benefit.