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Do you remember that Major Major's father made a good living by not growing more alfalfa than anyone else in the county? But let's put things in order: I thin
by dorfuss 10y ago
Do you remember that Major Major's father made a good living by not growing more alfalfa than anyone else in the county?
But let's put things in order:
I think your assumptions are wrong. First I would deal with the automated driving, then with the farming business.
Automated cars are not only for people who don't enjoy driving their car towards the setting sun and enjoying freedom. Literally everything you can buy, eat and enjoy in life relies on transport. I would guess that none of the consumer goods you purchase are produced where you live - maybe with the exception of a bakery, restaurant and your local Starbucks. Automated trucks are simply a huge thing. You will be able to drive them non stop, distribute the traffic more reasonably etc. Passanger transport is another thing, no less important. A lot of white collar workers have to visit their clients in person and spend many hours driving. Their talents and competences are not used properly. If they don't have to focus on the road, there could be a huge boost in their productivity. Even if they would just be able to relax more during the business travells by watching films.
Self driving cars are not just a matter of leisure, but of significant reduction of cost of transport that everything relies on.
And why do we automate in the first place? - to free human energy. Sitting in a car and driving thousands of kilometers is just dumb. Necessary, but dumb and tremendously repetitive. Once the machines can do it, the man can focus on specialised tasks that only humans can do. I believe that is the major task of CS in general - to free human potential.
I have nothing to do with farming, but I believe your diagnosis is mistaken. Food production has been automated so heavily, that a single farmer is able to produce an incredible amount of food (it means farmers invested a lot in their current technology). Moreover, as indicated in the beginning, US gov. and other governments in Europe PAY farmers for NOT growing food. And food production is often not very profitable and has to be heavily subsidized. Farmers operate on very very narrow profit margins and therefore investment has to be able to cut (already low) production costs. Robots are sophisticated machines and the maintenance cost is high. On the other hand manual labour on farms is very cheap. I believe that the benefits of automatisations in the farming industry are still not good enough to balance the cost.
Moreover, there is virtually no shortage of food, especially in the west. The last big starvation (not caused by politics) in Europe was a matter of the end of 19th century. While transport is an ever growing business - we want more stuff, faster, delivered from further away, food producers are rather more concerned about governments keeping the subsidies and import tariffs to supress supply.
Considering all of the above - food production is not such a big problem, and its share in the economy is very very small.
Having said that, of course there is a potential market for even more machines and automation, but I am not surprised that the farmers are not interested in it at the moment.
- jelliclesfarm 10y agoThat's so funny. I actually do have a story about alfafa(which I will narrate separately after this). First: I agree. Automation of driving is important but so is tech in farming. Like I said before, it's not a competition. Why not both? My gripe is that they want to get to farming automation after driving automation is perfected. Which seems wrong to me because they are looking at farm bot tech as a vehicle. As a farmer, I feel that it's entirely wrong approach. But that's my experience and opinion. Ymmv. Secondly: farm production is semi automated for commodity food production. Can you live on grain alone? Can you live on sugar alone? Soy and corn are produced for livestock feed and for ethanol. You say human labour is cheaper than machines. It makes me cringe. What about the human potential of the Mexican labourers picking strawberries and destroying his health? What about the thousands of farmer children who are sick from pesticide residue and dust pollution from excessive tilling? What about thousands of farmers and neighbours with asthma and auto immune disease just because they live in a rural area that gets tilled hence releasing fungal soil spores and orchards are sprayed. Food and it's production is cheap only because the terrible price we pay for it is invisible. You see the human potential being saved because of drivers autonomous cars can do something else. I see human potential being saved when a labourers doing repetitive manual tasks bent over and their spines vibrating from tractor driving(which btw isn't cheap..) are free to do other things. People who don't own state subsidied massive farms or have money to buy their own land are bonded labour. It is no different from slave labour. Farmers aren't interested in it because no one has presented them with a viable produce. If I had a row crawling weeder, I will produce more and make more money. If I am presented with a million dollar automated tractor that I don't understand, can't afford and won't fully replace all my labour needs, why would I even look at it? There isn't enough done for ag tech and what is being done isn't appropriate technology. Farmers are the 'technical lead' because what we know about soil ecology and plants and methods is the technical nuts and bolts. MBAs and money guys and engineers are designing and creating farm tech which when I showed to real farmers invited peals of laughter. It's just not appropriate tech because engineers are not farmers. We speak different languages. And food production IS a problem. We bring in a lot. California feeds a lot of USA and we are paying for it..a terrible price. Florida grows tomatoes on sand and pesticides. The rest of USA will pay for it. Ok. Alfalfa story coming up. It's not a funny story but rather an outrageous one. Sorry..I have some pending chores and will be back with it soon! Watch this space!