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But wait. Isn't S3 "the cloud". Everyone promised the cloud would never go down, ever. It has infinite uptime and reliability. Well good thing I have my backup

by caravel 10y ago

But wait. Isn't S3 "the cloud". Everyone promised the cloud would never go down, ever. It has infinite uptime and reliability. Well good thing I have my backups on [some service that happens to also use S3 as a backend].

ceejayoz 10y ago
> Everyone promised the cloud would never go down, ever. No, they didn't. Large portions of AWS's documentation details how you, the developer, are responsible for using their tools to engineer a fault-tolerant, highly available system. Everything goes down. AWS promises varying amounts of nines everywhere, not 100%.
djhworld 10y ago
I know your comment is in jest, but Amazon do say their API SLA for S3 is 99.99% available [1] [1] https://aws.amazon.com/s3/sla/ https://aws.amazon.com/s3/sla/
- M4v3R 10y ago
  Which is less than 5 minutes per month, I guess they've already used that :).
- hobofan 10y ago
  After more than an hour we are now at ~99.8%, so everybody affected should be able to claim a 10% discount, right?
dragonwriter 10y ago
> Isn't S3 "the cloud". Everyone promised the cloud would never go down, ever. S3 is not the cloud, it's one system running in the cloud. The cloud is not down, S3 and services dependent on (and possibly related to) it are. One of the selling points of the cloud is that dynamically provisioned services from multiple providers enable engineering fault tolerant systems that are relatively secure against the failure of any single backend. But, yeah, if you are dependent on one infrastructure vendor's service -- particularly running in one particular region/zone -- you are probably better off than running on a single server for reliability against failures, but you aren't anywhere close to immune to failures. I don't think even cloud vendors have been particularly reluctant to make that point.
draw_down 10y ago
Who told you that? I'm not sure anyone ever told you that.
vocatus_gate 10y ago
We used to have a word for "the cloud" back in my day. It was called "outsourcing."

by caravel 10y ago

ceejayoz 10y ago

> Everyone promised the cloud would never go down, ever. No, they didn't. Large portions of AWS's documentation details how you, the developer, are responsible for using their tools to engineer a fault-tolerant, highly available system. Everything goes down. AWS promises varying amounts of nines everywhere, not 100%.

djhworld 10y ago

I know your comment is in jest, but Amazon do say their API SLA for S3 is 99.99% available [1] [1] https://aws.amazon.com/s3/sla/ https://aws.amazon.com/s3/sla/

M4v3R 10y ago
Which is less than 5 minutes per month, I guess they've already used that :).
hobofan 10y ago
After more than an hour we are now at ~99.8%, so everybody affected should be able to claim a 10% discount, right?

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Isn't S3 "the cloud". Everyone promised the cloud would never go down, ever. S3 is not the cloud, it's one system running in the cloud. The cloud is not down, S3 and services dependent on (and possibly related to) it are. One of the selling points of the cloud is that dynamically provisioned services from multiple providers enable engineering fault tolerant systems that are relatively secure against the failure of any single backend. But, yeah, if you are dependent on one infrastructure vendor's service -- particularly running in one particular region/zone -- you are probably better off than running on a single server for reliability against failures, but you aren't anywhere close to immune to failures. I don't think even cloud vendors have been particularly reluctant to make that point.

draw_down 10y ago

Who told you that? I'm not sure anyone ever told you that.

vocatus_gate 10y ago

We used to have a word for "the cloud" back in my day. It was called "outsourcing."