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actually it's the drivers that add all the value, the devs are the folks that enable the cheating. Susan Fowler was responsible for keeping the trains running o

by flootch 10y ago

actually it's the drivers that add all the value, the devs are the folks that enable the cheating. Susan Fowler was responsible for keeping the trains running on time.

metaphorm 10y ago
I think you should explain your position in more detail. What do you mean by cheating, for example?
- flootch 10y ago
  Drivers have many anecdotes of: + initial bonuses not paid + hourly guarantees not paid New upfront pricing allows Uber to change prices on every single ride (implicit surge) while not paying driver's surge rates The FTC has fined Uber for telling drivers they could earn $90K a year driving Uber tells drivers it takes a flat 25% commission, but booking fees turn that commission into 40%. Uber cheats drivers.
  - metaphorm 10y ago
    but what you said is "the devs enable the cheating". that sounds like you're accusing the developers, specifically, of some kind of malfeasance due specifically to the developers. if you have something against Uber (there's a lot wrong with how they do business), you should state that, and state it clearly, and probably state it in a discussion thread where it would be more on topic. what you're doing here seems off topic.
    - throwaway2390 10y ago
      For sure they enable it. Developers enable Uber doing anything. If the developers decided they would not work at a company that did these unethical things, then Uber wouldn't exist. The buck only ever stops at you. You never pass off your moral responsibility or obligations, regardless of what organizational models you're in or where you fit in them. It doesn't matter if you're just following orders or just taking the highest paycheck and just doing development. So yes, there is malfeasance here that is due specifically to the developers. Are you going to trot out the Nuremburg defense or do you agree?
    - myegorov 10y ago
      I think @flootch has a point. The question is, are Uber's employees -- and not just the upper management -- complicit in a scheme (of knowingly exploiting their drivers) that blows the internal scandal out of the water? And if yes, would their participation compromise the merit of any claims for personal redress? Don't have an answer, not beating my breast...
  - fullshark 10y ago
    I'm curious, have you driven for Uber and feel you were treated unfairly?

by flootch 10y ago

actually it's the drivers that add all the value, the devs are the folks that enable the cheating. Susan Fowler was responsible for keeping the trains running on time.

metaphorm 10y ago

I think you should explain your position in more detail. What do you mean by cheating, for example?

flootch 10y ago
Drivers have many anecdotes of: + initial bonuses not paid + hourly guarantees not paid New upfront pricing allows Uber to change prices on every single ride (implicit surge) while not paying driver's surge rates The FTC has fined Uber for telling drivers they could earn $90K a year driving Uber tells drivers it takes a flat 25% commission, but booking fees turn that commission into 40%. Uber cheats drivers.
- metaphorm 10y ago
  but what you said is "the devs enable the cheating". that sounds like you're accusing the developers, specifically, of some kind of malfeasance due specifically to the developers. if you have something against Uber (there's a lot wrong with how they do business), you should state that, and state it clearly, and probably state it in a discussion thread where it would be more on topic. what you're doing here seems off topic.
  - throwaway2390 10y ago
    For sure they enable it. Developers enable Uber doing anything. If the developers decided they would not work at a company that did these unethical things, then Uber wouldn't exist. The buck only ever stops at you. You never pass off your moral responsibility or obligations, regardless of what organizational models you're in or where you fit in them. It doesn't matter if you're just following orders or just taking the highest paycheck and just doing development. So yes, there is malfeasance here that is due specifically to the developers. Are you going to trot out the Nuremburg defense or do you agree?
  - myegorov 10y ago
    I think @flootch has a point. The question is, are Uber's employees -- and not just the upper management -- complicit in a scheme (of knowingly exploiting their drivers) that blows the internal scandal out of the water? And if yes, would their participation compromise the merit of any claims for personal redress? Don't have an answer, not beating my breast...
- fullshark 10y ago
  I'm curious, have you driven for Uber and feel you were treated unfairly?