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How is this bringing people together? The email advertising this movement repeated false claims about the government banning people on the basis of religion. S

How is this bringing people together? The email advertising this movement repeated false claims about the government banning people on the basis of religion. Spreading hysteria and fear and inaccurate facts is not the way to win the argument.

jachee 10y ago
Giuliani is on-record[1] saying that Trump asked for a "Muslim Ban". If it walks like a duck... [1] http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/29/rudy_giuliani_admits_trump_wanted_a_muslim_ban_asked_for_help_on_doing_it.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/29/rudy_giuli...
Kaedon 10y ago
Is this the line you're referencing? "But after the recent executive order aimed to block people on the basis of nationality and religion, a line was crossed." How are these false claims? The executive order directly mentions religious grounds and allows "minority religions" in the 7 listed majority Muslim countries to be allowed in while prohibiting the rest.
- throwaway420 10y ago
  I read it and I believe your interpretation is false. It DOES NOT allow minority religions in while excluding the rest. It does instructs the applicable departments to simply prioritize people facing religious persecution. Prioritizing people through the safety checks and paperwork who are at the most risk should be the EXACT purpose of a refugee program with a humanitarian basis to it.
  - patch_collector 10y ago
    Not specifically religious persecution -- it's if you're part of a 'minority religion.' Which seems silly to me. Yes, assessing their level of danger should be part of any vetting and prioritization, but it should be an overall thing. If a person is in more danger (due to political ties, or maybe they helped US forces) than someone who's in a minority religion but otherwise safe, shouldn't the first person have priority? It's good to go about helping the most vulnerable people. Unfortunately, the proposed methodology in the EO was ham-handed at best, and unconstitutional at worst.
    - throwaway420 10y ago
      I think there's fair room for critiques on this implementation and their methodology for selecting priority. If more than a small number of protesters brought up these kinds of rational arguments, I think many on the right would be far more receptive to seriously listening. Instead, you hear about a "Muslim ban" and people calling Trump literally Hitler and most people on the right are sick and tired of these kinds of arguments and aren't going to be receptive.

jachee 10y ago

Giuliani is on-record[1] saying that Trump asked for a "Muslim Ban". If it walks like a duck... [1] http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/29/rudy_giuliani_admits_trump_wanted_a_muslim_ban_asked_for_help_on_doing_it.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/29/rudy_giuli...

Kaedon 10y ago

Is this the line you're referencing? "But after the recent executive order aimed to block people on the basis of nationality and religion, a line was crossed." How are these false claims? The executive order directly mentions religious grounds and allows "minority religions" in the 7 listed majority Muslim countries to be allowed in while prohibiting the rest.

throwaway420 10y ago
I read it and I believe your interpretation is false. It DOES NOT allow minority religions in while excluding the rest. It does instructs the applicable departments to simply prioritize people facing religious persecution. Prioritizing people through the safety checks and paperwork who are at the most risk should be the EXACT purpose of a refugee program with a humanitarian basis to it.
- patch_collector 10y ago
  Not specifically religious persecution -- it's if you're part of a 'minority religion.' Which seems silly to me. Yes, assessing their level of danger should be part of any vetting and prioritization, but it should be an overall thing. If a person is in more danger (due to political ties, or maybe they helped US forces) than someone who's in a minority religion but otherwise safe, shouldn't the first person have priority? It's good to go about helping the most vulnerable people. Unfortunately, the proposed methodology in the EO was ham-handed at best, and unconstitutional at worst.
  - throwaway420 10y ago
    I think there's fair room for critiques on this implementation and their methodology for selecting priority. If more than a small number of protesters brought up these kinds of rational arguments, I think many on the right would be far more receptive to seriously listening. Instead, you hear about a "Muslim ban" and people calling Trump literally Hitler and most people on the right are sick and tired of these kinds of arguments and aren't going to be receptive.