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> but at the same time what Tesla is doing is much bigger than the individual I don't think you really believe that - if you truly internalized this, then isn'

> but at the same time what Tesla is doing is much bigger than the individual I don't think you really believe that - if you truly internalized this, then isn't the conclusion that you should go find any way possible to contribute to them as well?

kneel 10y ago
I actually do believe it and that's why I reserved a model 3. Maybe I just bought into their rhetoric, maybe. But I believe that the company's vision is more directed at sustainable transportation rather than profit. They have worked really hard and brought in a lot of investment working towards an electric car. If Musk was truly profit driven he could have made a lot more money, a lot faster by directing his energy elsewhere.
- blub 10y ago
  Reserving a model 3 is pretty weak. If you really believe in them you should work 12 hour shifts in one of their factories, making the dream happen and saving the planet.
  - kneel 10y ago
    I guess I'm coming across as too idealistic if trolls start throwing daggers. Sorry not sorry
grzm 10y ago
if you truly internalized this, then isn't the conclusion that you should go find any way possible to contribute to them as well? Everyone has limited resources. What you chose to contribute to and your level of contribution will vary. For example, commitments to one's family may preclude contributing to Tesla beyond reserving a Model 3 untenable. This is independent of one's belief in the impact of what Tesla is doing.
- danielahn 10y ago
  Why? The argument being made is that the workers should suck it up and accept the low pay and grueling working conditions because of the importance of the work Tesla is doing. If you accept this argument, then why can't I also say that you should simply accept that giving up on your commitments to your family is also a necessary sacrifice?
  - grzm 10y ago
    Point well taken. I agree that reserving a Model 3 is not equivalent to working in the conditions described in the submission. Thanks for pushing back!
  - kneel 10y ago
    >The argument being made is that the workers should suck it up and accept the low pay and grueling working conditions because of the importance of the work Tesla is doing. I did not make that argument whatsoever. You made that up.

kneel 10y ago

I actually do believe it and that's why I reserved a model 3. Maybe I just bought into their rhetoric, maybe. But I believe that the company's vision is more directed at sustainable transportation rather than profit. They have worked really hard and brought in a lot of investment working towards an electric car. If Musk was truly profit driven he could have made a lot more money, a lot faster by directing his energy elsewhere.

blub 10y ago
Reserving a model 3 is pretty weak. If you really believe in them you should work 12 hour shifts in one of their factories, making the dream happen and saving the planet.
- kneel 10y ago
  I guess I'm coming across as too idealistic if trolls start throwing daggers. Sorry not sorry

grzm 10y ago

if you truly internalized this, then isn't the conclusion that you should go find any way possible to contribute to them as well? Everyone has limited resources. What you chose to contribute to and your level of contribution will vary. For example, commitments to one's family may preclude contributing to Tesla beyond reserving a Model 3 untenable. This is independent of one's belief in the impact of what Tesla is doing.

danielahn 10y ago
Why? The argument being made is that the workers should suck it up and accept the low pay and grueling working conditions because of the importance of the work Tesla is doing. If you accept this argument, then why can't I also say that you should simply accept that giving up on your commitments to your family is also a necessary sacrifice?
- grzm 10y ago
  Point well taken. I agree that reserving a Model 3 is not equivalent to working in the conditions described in the submission. Thanks for pushing back!
- kneel 10y ago
  >The argument being made is that the workers should suck it up and accept the low pay and grueling working conditions because of the importance of the work Tesla is doing. I did not make that argument whatsoever. You made that up.