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Retweeting links and replying “cool stuff ” is not a discussion

11 points by hme 16y ago

A blog post on how immersive web and VOIP can make better discussions happen online

Xixi 16y ago
"really realtime": it's sad to have to use such an expression when it ought to simply be realtime.
dan00 16y ago
Cool stuff!
robotron 16y ago
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Voice is better than chat. Why is this here?
- Xixi 16y ago
  I guess we've got a very nice case of irony : an article on how cool voice is and how uncool chat is, on a text only internet forum...
  - MartinCron 16y ago
    It's either irony or sarcasm. Your pick.
dnsworks 16y ago
Social networking isn't about a conversation, that was 2007's cute mantra. Social networking has devolved into a self-promotion platform whose only existence is to advertise. The conversation ended years ago. Don't worry, though, the bubble is popping. Soon we'll have some new ridiculous hype so that silly people can make lots of money being doofuses online by calling themselves "web 3.0" evangelists or whatever.
- daten 16y ago
  I disagree. There may be plenty of things to complain about with facebook, but I still find it plenty useful to stay in touch with friends, family and acquaintances. We plan events, share photos, keep current with what's happening in each others lives and occasionally have long discussions on specific topics. For me it works exactly the way it's supposed to and it's easy to ignore the ads on the side of the page. I worry that the real "hype" right now is buying into the recent anti-facebook trend.
  - dnsworks 16y ago
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-facebook. I think it's just as much of a case of silicon snake oil as the rest of the silly social networking sites out there. Facebook hasn't made my life better, it basically became a place where my annoying extended family started spamming me once I had finally blocked all of their email addresses, so that I wouldn't receive their mass forwarded emails about jesus sitting on your shoulder while speeding. Yay.
- anamax 16y ago
  > Soon we'll have some new ridiculous hype so that silly people can make lots of money being doofuses online by calling themselves "web 3.0" evangelists or whatever. There will be always be a new hype but Web 3.0 is so 2007 - see http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2102852,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2102852,00.asp
mcantor 16y ago
I have to call shenanigans on this. My social circle regularly has huge debates via Facebook links and wall posts; off the top of my head, I can recall discussions about birth control, existentialism, web frameworks and the impact of video games on our culture. Social networks are tools; there is no prescribed way to use them beyond the actual codebase they run on. Yes... Facebook's design affords phatic throwaway talk more easily than it does discussion, but that doesn't mean you can't use it any other way.
- MartinCron 16y ago
  Exactly, I had one of the best discussions about race, class, and privilege I've ever had on Facebook. But not all conversations need hardcore gravitas to be valuable. There's actually a lot of information in a "cool stuff" RT. It says that the person read your status, and liked it enough to share, that tells you a lot about where your tastes align, which has been a facet of friendship as long as humans have been making friends.

11 points by hme 16y ago

A blog post on how immersive web and VOIP can make better discussions happen online

Xixi 16y ago

"really realtime": it's sad to have to use such an expression when it ought to simply be realtime.

dan00 16y ago

Cool stuff!

robotron 16y ago

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Voice is better than chat. Why is this here?

Xixi 16y ago
I guess we've got a very nice case of irony : an article on how cool voice is and how uncool chat is, on a text only internet forum...
- MartinCron 16y ago
  It's either irony or sarcasm. Your pick.

dnsworks 16y ago

Social networking isn't about a conversation, that was 2007's cute mantra. Social networking has devolved into a self-promotion platform whose only existence is to advertise. The conversation ended years ago. Don't worry, though, the bubble is popping. Soon we'll have some new ridiculous hype so that silly people can make lots of money being doofuses online by calling themselves "web 3.0" evangelists or whatever.

daten 16y ago
I disagree. There may be plenty of things to complain about with facebook, but I still find it plenty useful to stay in touch with friends, family and acquaintances. We plan events, share photos, keep current with what's happening in each others lives and occasionally have long discussions on specific topics. For me it works exactly the way it's supposed to and it's easy to ignore the ads on the side of the page. I worry that the real "hype" right now is buying into the recent anti-facebook trend.
- dnsworks 16y ago
  Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-facebook. I think it's just as much of a case of silicon snake oil as the rest of the silly social networking sites out there. Facebook hasn't made my life better, it basically became a place where my annoying extended family started spamming me once I had finally blocked all of their email addresses, so that I wouldn't receive their mass forwarded emails about jesus sitting on your shoulder while speeding. Yay.
anamax 16y ago
> Soon we'll have some new ridiculous hype so that silly people can make lots of money being doofuses online by calling themselves "web 3.0" evangelists or whatever. There will be always be a new hype but Web 3.0 is so 2007 - see http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2102852,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2102852,00.asp

mcantor 16y ago

I have to call shenanigans on this. My social circle regularly has huge debates via Facebook links and wall posts; off the top of my head, I can recall discussions about birth control, existentialism, web frameworks and the impact of video games on our culture. Social networks are tools; there is no prescribed way to use them beyond the actual codebase they run on. Yes... Facebook's design affords phatic throwaway talk more easily than it does discussion, but that doesn't mean you can't use it any other way.

MartinCron 16y ago
Exactly, I had one of the best discussions about race, class, and privilege I've ever had on Facebook. But not all conversations need hardcore gravitas to be valuable. There's actually a lot of information in a "cool stuff" RT. It says that the person read your status, and liked it enough to share, that tells you a lot about where your tastes align, which has been a facet of friendship as long as humans have been making friends.