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I've watched a lot of these protests-turned-riot and you don't see innocent people on the sidelines being hauled away. You hardly see any of the violent and des

I've watched a lot of these protests-turned-riot and you don't see innocent people on the sidelines being hauled away. You hardly see any of the violent and destructive agitators being hauled away. I don't think the scenario you're describing is realistic whatsoever.

kalkin 10y ago
You've watched a lot of them, but you've never seen or heard of "kettling"? Odd. I have seen it and experienced it. (I'm also curious what instances of protests-turned-riot you're referring to. The US hasn't had many riots, in any meaningful sense, recently. Do you mean someone smashing a window?)
- coderdude 10y ago
  There was one a couple of days ago at Berkeley where 150 or so masked people smashed windows and set things on fire in an attempt to block a conservative from speaking there. Causing $100k in damage to private property in order to curtail other's free speech isn't something that should be glossed over or minimized by calling it protesting. There's the riot at NYU where more violent agitators showed up to prevent Gavin McInnes from speaking, where he was attacked with pepper spray. On the night at Berkeley, a woman wearing a Trump hat was pepper sprayed while giving an interview for a news network. These are the facts. Call it what you want, but this is violence and destruction with the intent to silence people with an opposing point of view. It's not civil disobedience or protesting and more like terrorism. As for your other question about whether or not I've heard of kettling, I have. The fact that it exists does not convince me that innocent bystanders need to fear that. In instances where you may have seen that, such as the inauguration of the president, charges were brought against some of those individuals. Which suggests the goal wasn't to arrest bystanders. By the way, I don't know if you watched that one live or after it took place but there was a ton of chaos. People were throwing objects like glass bottles at the police in riot gear. Again, many of the people were dressed in all black with masks on. If you want a very real problem to attack, that's one to focus on.
  - nl 10y ago
    Does Milo Yiannopoulos really match any definition of 'a conservative'? (In an attempt to block a conservative...)
    - coderdude 10y ago
      Yes, I would say that. There are a lot of people who apply different labels to the man because of what he agrees with and disagrees with. I would imagine you already have your opinion on that. It is a small fraction of the argument I just presented and I don't think it should be the focus.
      - nl 10y ago
        Which part of the conservative mindset does he represent? I suppose he could be some kind of nationalist/native sentiment, but he doesn't seem to speak about that much. Hopefully you noticed that I didn't try to make my feelings on Mr Yiannopoulos obvious.
        coderdude 10y ago
        I appreciate your response but I want to respectfully decline to comment further. I don't feel comfortable expressing my political opinions here. That includes things that would be tangentially related.
        nl 10y ago
        And I appreciate your polite response.
  - griffinmmahon 10y ago
    >in order to curtail other's free speech ... by calling it protesting It's not about free speech. He incites harassment.
    - coderdude 10y ago

kalkin 10y ago

You've watched a lot of them, but you've never seen or heard of "kettling"? Odd. I have seen it and experienced it. (I'm also curious what instances of protests-turned-riot you're referring to. The US hasn't had many riots, in any meaningful sense, recently. Do you mean someone smashing a window?)

coderdude 10y ago
There was one a couple of days ago at Berkeley where 150 or so masked people smashed windows and set things on fire in an attempt to block a conservative from speaking there. Causing $100k in damage to private property in order to curtail other's free speech isn't something that should be glossed over or minimized by calling it protesting. There's the riot at NYU where more violent agitators showed up to prevent Gavin McInnes from speaking, where he was attacked with pepper spray. On the night at Berkeley, a woman wearing a Trump hat was pepper sprayed while giving an interview for a news network. These are the facts. Call it what you want, but this is violence and destruction with the intent to silence people with an opposing point of view. It's not civil disobedience or protesting and more like terrorism. As for your other question about whether or not I've heard of kettling, I have. The fact that it exists does not convince me that innocent bystanders need to fear that. In instances where you may have seen that, such as the inauguration of the president, charges were brought against some of those individuals. Which suggests the goal wasn't to arrest bystanders. By the way, I don't know if you watched that one live or after it took place but there was a ton of chaos. People were throwing objects like glass bottles at the police in riot gear. Again, many of the people were dressed in all black with masks on. If you want a very real problem to attack, that's one to focus on.
- nl 10y ago
  Does Milo Yiannopoulos really match any definition of 'a conservative'? (In an attempt to block a conservative...)
  - coderdude 10y ago
    Yes, I would say that. There are a lot of people who apply different labels to the man because of what he agrees with and disagrees with. I would imagine you already have your opinion on that. It is a small fraction of the argument I just presented and I don't think it should be the focus.
    - nl 10y ago
      Which part of the conservative mindset does he represent? I suppose he could be some kind of nationalist/native sentiment, but he doesn't seem to speak about that much. Hopefully you noticed that I didn't try to make my feelings on Mr Yiannopoulos obvious.
      - coderdude 10y ago
        I appreciate your response but I want to respectfully decline to comment further. I don't feel comfortable expressing my political opinions here. That includes things that would be tangentially related.
        nl 10y ago
        And I appreciate your polite response.
- griffinmmahon 10y ago
  >in order to curtail other's free speech ... by calling it protesting It's not about free speech. He incites harassment.
  - coderdude 10y ago