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this is a false equivalency for two reasons: marijuana is not physically addictive, and THC doesn't have near the same capability to incapacitate people that he

by hubb 10y ago

this is a false equivalency for two reasons: marijuana is not physically addictive, and THC doesn't have near the same capability to incapacitate people that heroin does.

leakybit 10y ago
Which is why the only drug I do is meth, since it's not physically addictive and actually makes me function better.
- samirillian 10y ago
  I love all these fallacious arguments by analogy. Just name the side effect of weed that you think is problematic, don't try to use some elaborate bait and switch to equivocate.
- chillwaves 10y ago
  You mean Adderall? Millions of others do too.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    No, methamphetamine is a legal treatment for ADHD and available at local grocery stores in the US: https://m.goodrx.com/methamphetamine https://m.goodrx.com/methamphetamine Tens of millions of dollars of meth are sold by pharma companies in the US each year.
    - angry-hacker 10y ago
      But you do need a prescription?
dominotw 10y ago
>marijuana is not physically addictive, One of my friends complained for months about headaches, loss of libido, tummy cramps while getting off of it after years of use.
- randomdata 10y ago
  On the other hand, marijuana has been used to treat those symptoms. It may be your friend had some other problem that was being masked by the prolonged marijuana use. Or one of the other many reasons why there can be correlation without causation.
  - lightedman 10y ago
    The headaches are caused by the brain not producing its own canabinoids due to the influx of outside cannabinoid sources. Source - lifelong medical cannabis patient.
- buttcoinslol 10y ago
  I've been physically addicted to alcohol and opiates, and also a long term daily marijuana user (currently over a year of sobriety from all drugs). THC has no physical withdrawal symptoms.
  - angry-hacker 10y ago
    And I've been drinking alcohol every weekend the last 15 years. Your alcoholism is a myth because otherwise I would need alcohol right now. It doesn't really work that way.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      There's a difference between physical and psychological addiction. Currently we think cannabis is not physically addictive, and we think it might be psychologically addictive for some people. People de-toxing from alcohol addiction can literally die if they do it wrong. That's never going to happen with cannabis.
    - buttcoinslol 10y ago
      I was drinking at least a fifth (750ml) of 40% abv spirits every day, doing at least 250mg+ oxy or equivalent in heroin, or smoking a gram or more of weed a day. Alcohol and opiates are physically addictive with very real withdrawal symptoms. Falling asleep was somewhat difficult for a couple days when I ran out of weed. Marijuana is not physically addictive.
mazlix 10y ago
Most good studies on THC are on adults/ developed brains. I'm not sure it's established yet that marijuana wouldn't cause a "physical" addiction if used in adolescence. It might be / hopefully is fine, but people shouldn't assume that just because cannabis is fairly harmless in adults it is also established to be safe for youth.
- daveguy 10y ago
  This. It is incredibly irresponsible to run the equivalent of clinical trials on your child. She pointed out a single medical study of cannabis for children that was a bust. Clinical trials are highly controlled and dosage is tiered for safety. Cowboy drug trials are dangerous and stupid. I don't care if it's cannabis, crack or aspirin. And she tested the cookies on herself to see if they were ok? Did she realize she was giving her child the equivalent of multiple times the dose? I hope for her sake and her sons the long term effects on children are ok and that she isn't giving 10x the required therapeutic dose because she whipped it up in her kitchen.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    All very easy to say, safely in your house away from your loved child in pain with 600+ violent outbursts a day. Every parent has only one subject; every child raising is a trial. You only have one chance and have to choose one approach. This drug is used worldwide by maybe a billion people. Scaremongering is unhelpful.
    - daveguy 10y ago
      Cowboy drug trials on children are scary. No need for scaremongering. Aspirin is used by billions of people and it's dangerous to give to children. She obviously has no clue how to manage safe dosing for a trial and that is ignorant and dangerous. Just because it's natural and everyone's doing it doesn't mean it's safe: hemlock is natural, "everyone" used to smoke cigarettes.
      - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
lightedman 10y ago
"marijuana is not physically addictive" As a lifetime medical patient, this is not entirely true. There are plenty of physical withdrawal effects. The primary one being headache and hypertension. Another one is lack of dreaming/REM sleep (as cannabis usage depletes your melatonin/serotonin levels, which effects your REM sleep.) "THC doesn't have near the same capability to incapacitate people" THC-Vivarin will hit you so hard I'd be surprised if you could remain standing despite the fact it only lasts for about 15 minutes.
- ryanlol 10y ago
  >THC-Vivarin Huh?
  - extra88 10y ago
    Vivarin is brand of caffeine pill (haven't heard the name since the Nineties), I've not heard of combining it with THC.
  - lightedman 10y ago
    THC-Varin (stupid autocorrect on my phone from prior post) (AKA THC-V)is a highly-psychoative, hard-hitting THC homologue that is highly stimulating with very short duration of effect. High levels of this are present in African and Asian sativa strains. If you've ever taken a hit of stuff that got you high immediately, chances are you just had a quick THC-V dose from the strain. It lasts about 15 minutes, then fades away, leaving the normal delta-9 THC to do its thing for the next few hours.
- gotrecruit 10y ago
  "There are plenty of physical withdrawal effects. The primary one being headache and hypertension." i don't know what you've been smoking, but as a daily "practically 24/7" smoker myself, i've never experienced any of these when i leave the country and go without cannabis for weeks (or months) at a time. for background: i smoke first thing when i wake up, and i pretty much take a hit from the bong every 30 mins as i work from home. my work and lifestyle allows for such frequent consumption. point i'm making is, i'm a very heavy smoker so i'm a reasonably good gauge for addictive potential. every 6 months, i take a tolerance break by visiting family in another country. guess what happens when i go cold turkey during these visits? absolutely nothing. no shaking, no foaming at the mouth, no physical withdrawal whatsoever. do i get a little bit irritated if i think about how i can't get weed? sure. but if i choose not to think about it? i don't even notice anything different at all. regarding the lack of dreaming, yes that may be true. however, as someone who also works out every day at the gym, i felt absolutely no difference in physical recovery nor mental recovery at all. i think the point i'm making is: whatever "withdrawal" you're experiencing is entirely in your own head. you want to believe it's there, so it's there.

by hubb 10y ago

this is a false equivalency for two reasons: marijuana is not physically addictive, and THC doesn't have near the same capability to incapacitate people that heroin does.

leakybit 10y ago

Which is why the only drug I do is meth, since it's not physically addictive and actually makes me function better.

samirillian 10y ago
I love all these fallacious arguments by analogy. Just name the side effect of weed that you think is problematic, don't try to use some elaborate bait and switch to equivocate.
chillwaves 10y ago
You mean Adderall? Millions of others do too.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  No, methamphetamine is a legal treatment for ADHD and available at local grocery stores in the US: https://m.goodrx.com/methamphetamine https://m.goodrx.com/methamphetamine Tens of millions of dollars of meth are sold by pharma companies in the US each year.
  - angry-hacker 10y ago
    But you do need a prescription?

dominotw 10y ago

>marijuana is not physically addictive, One of my friends complained for months about headaches, loss of libido, tummy cramps while getting off of it after years of use.

randomdata 10y ago
On the other hand, marijuana has been used to treat those symptoms. It may be your friend had some other problem that was being masked by the prolonged marijuana use. Or one of the other many reasons why there can be correlation without causation.
- lightedman 10y ago
  The headaches are caused by the brain not producing its own canabinoids due to the influx of outside cannabinoid sources. Source - lifelong medical cannabis patient.
buttcoinslol 10y ago
I've been physically addicted to alcohol and opiates, and also a long term daily marijuana user (currently over a year of sobriety from all drugs). THC has no physical withdrawal symptoms.
- angry-hacker 10y ago
  And I've been drinking alcohol every weekend the last 15 years. Your alcoholism is a myth because otherwise I would need alcohol right now. It doesn't really work that way.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    There's a difference between physical and psychological addiction. Currently we think cannabis is not physically addictive, and we think it might be psychologically addictive for some people. People de-toxing from alcohol addiction can literally die if they do it wrong. That's never going to happen with cannabis.
  - buttcoinslol 10y ago
    I was drinking at least a fifth (750ml) of 40% abv spirits every day, doing at least 250mg+ oxy or equivalent in heroin, or smoking a gram or more of weed a day. Alcohol and opiates are physically addictive with very real withdrawal symptoms. Falling asleep was somewhat difficult for a couple days when I ran out of weed. Marijuana is not physically addictive.

mazlix 10y ago

Most good studies on THC are on adults/ developed brains. I'm not sure it's established yet that marijuana wouldn't cause a "physical" addiction if used in adolescence. It might be / hopefully is fine, but people shouldn't assume that just because cannabis is fairly harmless in adults it is also established to be safe for youth.

daveguy 10y ago
This. It is incredibly irresponsible to run the equivalent of clinical trials on your child. She pointed out a single medical study of cannabis for children that was a bust. Clinical trials are highly controlled and dosage is tiered for safety. Cowboy drug trials are dangerous and stupid. I don't care if it's cannabis, crack or aspirin. And she tested the cookies on herself to see if they were ok? Did she realize she was giving her child the equivalent of multiple times the dose? I hope for her sake and her sons the long term effects on children are ok and that she isn't giving 10x the required therapeutic dose because she whipped it up in her kitchen.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  All very easy to say, safely in your house away from your loved child in pain with 600+ violent outbursts a day. Every parent has only one subject; every child raising is a trial. You only have one chance and have to choose one approach. This drug is used worldwide by maybe a billion people. Scaremongering is unhelpful.
  - daveguy 10y ago
    Cowboy drug trials on children are scary. No need for scaremongering. Aspirin is used by billions of people and it's dangerous to give to children. She obviously has no clue how to manage safe dosing for a trial and that is ignorant and dangerous. Just because it's natural and everyone's doing it doesn't mean it's safe: hemlock is natural, "everyone" used to smoke cigarettes.
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago

lightedman 10y ago

"marijuana is not physically addictive" As a lifetime medical patient, this is not entirely true. There are plenty of physical withdrawal effects. The primary one being headache and hypertension. Another one is lack of dreaming/REM sleep (as cannabis usage depletes your melatonin/serotonin levels, which effects your REM sleep.) "THC doesn't have near the same capability to incapacitate people" THC-Vivarin will hit you so hard I'd be surprised if you could remain standing despite the fact it only lasts for about 15 minutes.

ryanlol 10y ago
>THC-Vivarin Huh?
- extra88 10y ago
  Vivarin is brand of caffeine pill (haven't heard the name since the Nineties), I've not heard of combining it with THC.
- lightedman 10y ago
  THC-Varin (stupid autocorrect on my phone from prior post) (AKA THC-V)is a highly-psychoative, hard-hitting THC homologue that is highly stimulating with very short duration of effect. High levels of this are present in African and Asian sativa strains. If you've ever taken a hit of stuff that got you high immediately, chances are you just had a quick THC-V dose from the strain. It lasts about 15 minutes, then fades away, leaving the normal delta-9 THC to do its thing for the next few hours.
gotrecruit 10y ago
"There are plenty of physical withdrawal effects. The primary one being headache and hypertension." i don't know what you've been smoking, but as a daily "practically 24/7" smoker myself, i've never experienced any of these when i leave the country and go without cannabis for weeks (or months) at a time. for background: i smoke first thing when i wake up, and i pretty much take a hit from the bong every 30 mins as i work from home. my work and lifestyle allows for such frequent consumption. point i'm making is, i'm a very heavy smoker so i'm a reasonably good gauge for addictive potential. every 6 months, i take a tolerance break by visiting family in another country. guess what happens when i go cold turkey during these visits? absolutely nothing. no shaking, no foaming at the mouth, no physical withdrawal whatsoever. do i get a little bit irritated if i think about how i can't get weed? sure. but if i choose not to think about it? i don't even notice anything different at all. regarding the lack of dreaming, yes that may be true. however, as someone who also works out every day at the gym, i felt absolutely no difference in physical recovery nor mental recovery at all. i think the point i'm making is: whatever "withdrawal" you're experiencing is entirely in your own head. you want to believe it's there, so it's there.