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So to be clear, you want someone to be imprisoned because they sent a tweet.
by unfathomable 10y ago
So to be clear, you want someone to be imprisoned because they sent a tweet.
- minimaxir 10y ago"Intent" is the operative word here.
- unfathomable 10y agoI think it's irresponsible of Eichenwald when confronting notorious trolls which he condemns in his articles, to not take precautions and I think you're quite foolish for buying into his victim card.
- s4chin 10y agoWith the intent of harming someone.
- junto 10y agoThe target could have died. The actions of the attacker were deliberate in trying to induce a seizure that could have killed him. That's attempted murder, and whether it's via a tweet or not is irrelevant.
- mmastrac 10y agoYes. This is akin to shouting fire in a crowded theatre [1] or phoning in a bomb threat. In the United States, freedom of speech is limited in certain cases where the harm caused by the speech outweighs the damage of limiting freedom. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...
- iaw 10y agoI actually think it's worse than your examples, one could argue that the harm caused in those instances are because of recklessness. In this case the person intended to inflict harm on another specific person.
- SAI_Peregrinus 10y agoPlease stop using the "fire in a crowded theatre" phrase, it's not actually part of law in the US. [1] The standard for restricting speech in cases like this is if it poses a "clear and present danger". That's likely the case here, as a premeditated attempt to cause a seizure is a clear and present danger to epileptics. There's plenty of law to cite that doesn't depend on over-broad censorious decisions that got overturned later on. https://popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/ https://popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackne...
- jadell 10y agoGrand mal seizures can be deadly. Intentionally attempting to trigger one in someone with epilepsy is assault at a minimum.
- celticninja 10y agoIf you think that is what is happening here then you should probably go back to using your crayons. This is entirely different to sending a normal tweet, or even an offensive tweet.
- sctb 10y agoNo personal attacks like this, please, no matter what they've said.
- iaw 10y agoTo be quite clear: YES. Let's go over what the attacker did (and note, I'm not even going to touch the anti-semitism component). They demonstrated premeditation, this appeared to be a second attempt at a prior failed attack. The intent was to cause serious injury. Max penalties for these types of things is ~10 years in prison. Hypothetical : Let's say I had an powerful/advanced sniper rifle where I can target a specific person and cause them to have a seizure. Let's say I use this rifle from across state lines. Should I not be getting a visit from the FBI and ending up in federal prison?
- besselheim 10y agoI imagine if he'd been the victim of a deliberate hit-and-run, you'd be saying something like "so to be clear, you want someone to be imprisoned because they drove a car."
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoOk so you really don't realize it wasn't just a tweet? Seek help. There's something wrong with you. I'm serious.
- sctb 10y agoNo matter what you're replying to, posting like this is not OK on Hacker News.
- mdekkers 10y agoI believe that the OP wants the attacker to be sent to prison for inflicting harm, pre-meditated, and with intent to do so. that he used a tweet to do this is irrelevant, and frankly, your statement is disingenuous and asinine. But I'm sure you already know that, and are simply trolling