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Congratulations on shipping. That's the hardest part. Very clever on Amazon links in reddit being the source of truth. That will obviously leave a lot on the t

Congratulations on shipping. That's the hardest part. Very clever on Amazon links in reddit being the source of truth. That will obviously leave a lot on the table, but gives you really reliable parsing. Honestly, this is a great site. I'd keep it simple, but you could definitely expand on the styling a little bit. Great work!

akerro 10y ago
I like the styling. Clean, readable, works on hi-res screens and small screens like mobile. What would you want more? 3MB of CSS?
- onli 10y ago
  Styling the links, giving it a proper header, dividing it more properly into sections, and that will look infinitely better and still work equally well on all screens. The site is a good idea, making it looks like a real project by giving it at least craigslist level of design will take half a day and increase the appeal a lot. And visitors like won't have to check whether the css just did not load before writing a comment like this ;) Op, if you'd like some help with that, shoot me a mail (in profile).
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    With all respect: I completely disagree. I think this looks great as is. Dividing it up, adding a bunch of extra CSS would make it less usable and readable for me. Of course, that tends to be subjective.
    - JonnieCache 10y ago
      All it would really take IMO is picking a nice colour for the links to give the site some kind of recognisable brand/theme/personality. Perhaps move the other text away from pure black to decrease the contrast slightly.
    - onli 10y ago
      How would you know that? The site is already divided into three sections: header, controls to the left, laptop list to the right. To style that accordingly won't make it in any way less useable or readable. Making the header look like a header would not affect you negatively in any way, or properly styling the pagination, or giving it a color scheme (even one based on white as background). Really, this is a Show HN. Let's at least try to give OP proper feedback without resorting to head-in-the-sand subjectivity like that. "I'd prefer to have it look like my site I created for geocities with Frontpage" is not what will help OP presenting this to a potential employer, or making it a viable source of income.
      - CaptSpify 10y ago
        > How would you know that? To be fair, I can't. I'm basing it on how I see your suggestions in my head. But the way I interpret the changes are how I've seen other sites do it, and it just sounds worse to me. I don't like extra styling, as it ends up cluttering the display. I personally find color-schemes annoying. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd have to see how OP implements your suggestions before actually deciding. > Really, this is a Show HN. Let's at least try to give OP proper feedback without resorting to head-in-the-sand subjectivity like that. "I'd prefer to have it look like my site I created for geocities with Frontpage" is not what will help OP presenting this to a potential employer, or making it a viable source of income. I think you really need to take a breath here. I am giving OP proper feedback, which just happens to disagree with yours. Neither style is "right". They are both subjective preferences. I'm saying that I like the style he chose, and disagree with the "improvements" that you are suggesting. I fail to see how I'm sticking my head in the sand. I would argue that keeping it simple is helping him. It makes the site more usable, less cluttered, faster to load, less maintenance and more easily navigable.
        onli 10y ago
        > I think you really need to take a breath here. Maybe. You see, I hesitated after writing this, but then decided to stick with it. Just because I really am convinced that it is really bad advice. Based on my own sites (and pc-kombo.de is even in a related field), if you don't get the design at least near of being okay, people won't accept your site. Based on my studies, I know that usability does not get worse when giving it a proper design. And readability can simply (well, sometimes it's not that simple) be measured, but there is no reason at all it would get worse by doing the basics. There is a small subset of people (socialized with another internet?) who really think the design of a site does not matter for them, or who disapprove of everything they think is modern design. Based on your comments, you are in that category. And some others commented in the same spirit here. Listening to those means making a site which 99% of internet users won't accept. At least as long as your site is not craigslist – but even current craigslist has more design than what I see on OPs site. Not having a design is perfectly fine for a MVP. But not fine when going further. Stating otherwise actively hurts his chances of succeeding.
    - tehwalrus 10y ago
      It doesn't look great on an android phone, though. And (possibly because of the missing viewport setting) I get crazy "let me zoom that for you" behaviour when I try to click on things. It could do with some responsive styling.
      - CaptSpify 10y ago
        Weird. Seems to work fine with FF on my android phone
        kaishiro 10y ago
        Really? You don't have a tiny, hard to read filter bar on the left side?
        CaptSpify 10y ago
        It's a little small and hard to read, but not terrible. Additionally I don't get any weird zooming behavior that was described
        onli 10y ago
        Now I have to assume you are trolling. On a mobile phone (tested on an android with FF), you need to zoom to read any text that is not a headline properly. And there is no way that pagination is clickable without zooming in directly on it. Google is saying the same: https://search.google.com/search-console/mobile-friendly?id=VSgohiAHlxydbhe-8HodgQ https://search.google.com/search-console/mobile-friendly?id=.... That is not working fine.
        CaptSpify 10y ago
        Why would I troll about that? It looks a little small but otherwise OK to me. I can click on the pagination just fine. There are a lot of variables, especially with android when it comes to screen size, font, etc, so I'm guessing it just comes down to that.
    - paradite 10y ago
      With all respect: I completely disagree.
      - CaptSpify 10y ago
        And that's fine. I'd be curious as to why though
    - PKop 10y ago
      Just setting a { text-decoration: none, color: [something else] } would go along way. I think that's all thats needed.
- tomascot 10y ago
  Good styling is not necessarily equal to a huge stylesheet
- wingerlang 10y ago
  Maybe normal people wouldn't trust this site as much as one with some "branding" or at least some other styles. Maybe it could increase conversion. By normal I mean the general public. And yes I know about craigslist, but that one has decades (?) of background.

akerro 10y ago

I like the styling. Clean, readable, works on hi-res screens and small screens like mobile. What would you want more? 3MB of CSS?

onli 10y ago
Styling the links, giving it a proper header, dividing it more properly into sections, and that will look infinitely better and still work equally well on all screens. The site is a good idea, making it looks like a real project by giving it at least craigslist level of design will take half a day and increase the appeal a lot. And visitors like won't have to check whether the css just did not load before writing a comment like this ;) Op, if you'd like some help with that, shoot me a mail (in profile).
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  With all respect: I completely disagree. I think this looks great as is. Dividing it up, adding a bunch of extra CSS would make it less usable and readable for me. Of course, that tends to be subjective.
  - JonnieCache 10y ago
    All it would really take IMO is picking a nice colour for the links to give the site some kind of recognisable brand/theme/personality. Perhaps move the other text away from pure black to decrease the contrast slightly.
  - onli 10y ago
    How would you know that? The site is already divided into three sections: header, controls to the left, laptop list to the right. To style that accordingly won't make it in any way less useable or readable. Making the header look like a header would not affect you negatively in any way, or properly styling the pagination, or giving it a color scheme (even one based on white as background). Really, this is a Show HN. Let's at least try to give OP proper feedback without resorting to head-in-the-sand subjectivity like that. "I'd prefer to have it look like my site I created for geocities with Frontpage" is not what will help OP presenting this to a potential employer, or making it a viable source of income.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      > How would you know that? To be fair, I can't. I'm basing it on how I see your suggestions in my head. But the way I interpret the changes are how I've seen other sites do it, and it just sounds worse to me. I don't like extra styling, as it ends up cluttering the display. I personally find color-schemes annoying. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd have to see how OP implements your suggestions before actually deciding. > Really, this is a Show HN. Let's at least try to give OP proper feedback without resorting to head-in-the-sand subjectivity like that. "I'd prefer to have it look like my site I created for geocities with Frontpage" is not what will help OP presenting this to a potential employer, or making it a viable source of income. I think you really need to take a breath here. I am giving OP proper feedback, which just happens to disagree with yours. Neither style is "right". They are both subjective preferences. I'm saying that I like the style he chose, and disagree with the "improvements" that you are suggesting. I fail to see how I'm sticking my head in the sand. I would argue that keeping it simple is helping him. It makes the site more usable, less cluttered, faster to load, less maintenance and more easily navigable.
      - onli 10y ago
        > I think you really need to take a breath here. Maybe. You see, I hesitated after writing this, but then decided to stick with it. Just because I really am convinced that it is really bad advice. Based on my own sites (and pc-kombo.de is even in a related field), if you don't get the design at least near of being okay, people won't accept your site. Based on my studies, I know that usability does not get worse when giving it a proper design. And readability can simply (well, sometimes it's not that simple) be measured, but there is no reason at all it would get worse by doing the basics. There is a small subset of people (socialized with another internet?) who really think the design of a site does not matter for them, or who disapprove of everything they think is modern design. Based on your comments, you are in that category. And some others commented in the same spirit here. Listening to those means making a site which 99% of internet users won't accept. At least as long as your site is not craigslist – but even current craigslist has more design than what I see on OPs site. Not having a design is perfectly fine for a MVP. But not fine when going further. Stating otherwise actively hurts his chances of succeeding.
  - tehwalrus 10y ago
    It doesn't look great on an android phone, though. And (possibly because of the missing viewport setting) I get crazy "let me zoom that for you" behaviour when I try to click on things. It could do with some responsive styling.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      Weird. Seems to work fine with FF on my android phone
      - kaishiro 10y ago
        Really? You don't have a tiny, hard to read filter bar on the left side?
        CaptSpify 10y ago
        It's a little small and hard to read, but not terrible. Additionally I don't get any weird zooming behavior that was described
      - onli 10y ago
        Now I have to assume you are trolling. On a mobile phone (tested on an android with FF), you need to zoom to read any text that is not a headline properly. And there is no way that pagination is clickable without zooming in directly on it. Google is saying the same: https://search.google.com/search-console/mobile-friendly?id=VSgohiAHlxydbhe-8HodgQ https://search.google.com/search-console/mobile-friendly?id=.... That is not working fine.
        CaptSpify 10y ago
        Why would I troll about that? It looks a little small but otherwise OK to me. I can click on the pagination just fine. There are a lot of variables, especially with android when it comes to screen size, font, etc, so I'm guessing it just comes down to that.
  - paradite 10y ago
    With all respect: I completely disagree.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      And that's fine. I'd be curious as to why though
  - PKop 10y ago
    Just setting a { text-decoration: none, color: [something else] } would go along way. I think that's all thats needed.
tomascot 10y ago
Good styling is not necessarily equal to a huge stylesheet
wingerlang 10y ago
Maybe normal people wouldn't trust this site as much as one with some "branding" or at least some other styles. Maybe it could increase conversion. By normal I mean the general public. And yes I know about craigslist, but that one has decades (?) of background.