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Right underneath the article's chart: >Note: Those who grew up in one state, went to college in another, and then moved again are counted as migrating from the

Right underneath the article's chart: >Note: Those who grew up in one state, went to college in another, and then moved again are counted as migrating from the state where they attended college. Also, I'd imagine that this methodology doesn't affect things too much, considering that around 70% of high school graduates go to colleges in-state.

CalChris 10y ago
So in the KY->MA->KY example that would count against MA and not KY, no?
- runevault 10y ago
  Correct. They expressly call that out as being a disadvantage for MA when pointing out certain types of locations are doing better on average with a few exceptions.
  - kylecordes 10y ago
    I wish they had fixed it, rather than merely acknowledging it...
    - runevault 10y ago
      IMO this version is useful data, but it would be more useful if they also showed other variations. How many states lose kids that go out of state FOR college, what % of people who go out of state for college then come back after? (made up example) Say Maine has a ton of people go out of state to get educated but then bring all that knowledge back home, maybe that says people from Maine are dedicated to their home but don't think the education is good enough there to let them do what they want. Each of those is an interesting data point with different ramifications.
      - douche 10y ago
        Nobody comes home to Maine if they leave. At least not for ten or twenty years until they have dug themselves out of the hole. source: Native Mainer, who moved to New Hampshire to get a decent job, who would love to go back home if the whole remote IT job revolution ever actually happens.
        runevault 10y ago
        I sort of thought that might be the case but it was the first thing other than my own home state to come to mind because my Dad is planning a trip up there for next year.
      - qdbui 10y ago
        Hey runevault. I wrote the article and I agree! There are limitations to the data. I'm not aware of a dataset that will allow me to do that nationally. This was my best attempt to capture this idea. I also thought about filtering for people who went to college in the state they were born in but this seemed like worse option. But if you are familiar with another way to capture this idea, I'm all ears.
- Steko 10y ago
  I don't think that example counts against anyone. My reading is that only KY -> MA -> NY counts against MA instead of KY. "People who grew up in one state, went to college in another and then moved somewhere else are counted as migrating from the state where they attended college" To me "somewhere else" means a third state neither KY or MA.
LeifCarrotson 10y ago
> I'd imagine that this methodology doesn't affect things too much, considering that around 70% of high school graduates go to colleges in-state. So a full 30% go to colleges out of state? And I would wager that quite a few come to be close to family afterwards. That's a huge swing in the data.
- mannykannot 10y ago
  Especially as people who have left their state to go to college have already left their state to advance their lives, regardless of what they do later.

CalChris 10y ago

So in the KY->MA->KY example that would count against MA and not KY, no?

runevault 10y ago
Correct. They expressly call that out as being a disadvantage for MA when pointing out certain types of locations are doing better on average with a few exceptions.
- kylecordes 10y ago
  I wish they had fixed it, rather than merely acknowledging it...
  - runevault 10y ago
    IMO this version is useful data, but it would be more useful if they also showed other variations. How many states lose kids that go out of state FOR college, what % of people who go out of state for college then come back after? (made up example) Say Maine has a ton of people go out of state to get educated but then bring all that knowledge back home, maybe that says people from Maine are dedicated to their home but don't think the education is good enough there to let them do what they want. Each of those is an interesting data point with different ramifications.
    - douche 10y ago
      Nobody comes home to Maine if they leave. At least not for ten or twenty years until they have dug themselves out of the hole. source: Native Mainer, who moved to New Hampshire to get a decent job, who would love to go back home if the whole remote IT job revolution ever actually happens.
      - runevault 10y ago
        I sort of thought that might be the case but it was the first thing other than my own home state to come to mind because my Dad is planning a trip up there for next year.
    - qdbui 10y ago
      Hey runevault. I wrote the article and I agree! There are limitations to the data. I'm not aware of a dataset that will allow me to do that nationally. This was my best attempt to capture this idea. I also thought about filtering for people who went to college in the state they were born in but this seemed like worse option. But if you are familiar with another way to capture this idea, I'm all ears.
Steko 10y ago
I don't think that example counts against anyone. My reading is that only KY -> MA -> NY counts against MA instead of KY. "People who grew up in one state, went to college in another and then moved somewhere else are counted as migrating from the state where they attended college" To me "somewhere else" means a third state neither KY or MA.

LeifCarrotson 10y ago

> I'd imagine that this methodology doesn't affect things too much, considering that around 70% of high school graduates go to colleges in-state. So a full 30% go to colleges out of state? And I would wager that quite a few come to be close to family afterwards. That's a huge swing in the data.

mannykannot 10y ago
Especially as people who have left their state to go to college have already left their state to advance their lives, regardless of what they do later.