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I'm not sure what they're optimizing for. If they had some bad ass machine that wasn't the thinnest machine in existence I'd still buy it. I own a pro and an ai

I'm not sure what they're optimizing for. If they had some bad ass machine that wasn't the thinnest machine in existence I'd still buy it. I own a pro and an air from the last generation and I think they suck. Give me something worth the bucks and tack on a few millimeters to make it happen. I absolutely will not pay for their current trajectory of lackluster stats and a small physical footprint. I need better. If that means bigger, they should get over it and deliver.

nicky0 10y ago
If you need huge power why are you trying to do it in a laptop?
- arvinsim 10y ago
  False dichotomy. Why can't there be a middle ground?
  - nicky0 10y ago
    Laptop form factor fundamentally goes against high power computing. It's very inelegant and I can see why Apple doesn't want to do it.
- sadfsdfsadfsd 10y ago
  Because we have to take our work with us? To meetings, to workspaces, etc. And, we're willing to pay a premium for high power, high portability. I could probably go buy a big workstation/gaming style pc laptop, but I'd rather pay more for a lightweight model.
  - coderdude 10y ago
    This was exactly what I was shooting for, myself. I needed something powerful but portable. Ultimately what I got was very portable but not very powerful. "Time to reboot!" should not be part of the daily routine.
- coderdude 10y ago
  Well, I'm tired of an employee coming up to me and saying "this thing is going so slow" and it's just Firefox and some other things open. The hardware can't keep up with today's software demands. Whether it's a memory constraint or otherwise. Apple today doesn't "just work". It's not like I'm asking my employees to render the next Toy Story. We're talking emails and opening pages in a browser. I now do all my work on a beefy box running Ubuntu, as I did prior to my last year's stint in trying Apple hardware full time. I'm transitioning who I can onto similar setups and moving away from the laptop-as-the-main-computer setup. They just aren't good enough for it.
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  - Veen 10y ago
    > he hardware can't keep up with today's software demands Another way of putting this: modern software is so bloated and poorly designed that it wastes massive amounts of memory and processor resources.
    - coderdude 10y ago
      If you've ever used Firefox this isn't lost on you. However, it's a pitiful defense for a $1500+ computer.
  - scholia 10y ago
    > I'm transitioning who I can onto similar setups and moving away from the laptop-as-the-main-computer setup. They just aren't good enough for it. Beefy desktops also have much better ergonomics (unless laptops are used on a riser with an external keyboard etc). This should mean fewer computer-induced injuries and fewer courses of expensive physiotherapy in the future. I've needed two courses, after foolishly working full-time on laptops. As a result, I've gone back to desktops. The superior performance, lower prices, and the fact that they last much longer are extra benefits...
  - rocky1138 10y ago
    As primarily a web developer this wasn't the case for me, but now that I'm essentially all in on VR the problem has become acute. For the first time in a decade I went out and built a desktop.
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- lucaspiller 10y ago
  That's not really the point - other manufactures make laptops that are much more powerful than Apple. The ThinkPad P50 can be configured with a Xeon, 4K display and 64GB RAM for nearly the same price as the base 15" MacBook Pro. Ok maybe it doesn't have all day battery life - but most people, especially people who want "Pro" hardware, probably only need a few hours max. I've had an Air for two years, and I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I've used the full battery - all international flights and trains I've been on have had power sockets, so I can charge on the go. Plus thanks to USB-C, you can use a power bank to charge your laptop if you need more power: http://www.macworld.com/article/3028132/consumer-electronics/best-usb-c-battery-pack-review.html http://www.macworld.com/article/3028132/consumer-electronics... Apple is no longer giving consumers a choice, before there was the MacBook (old one) if you wanted a more-affordable entry level machine, the Air if you needed ok performance but great portability, and the Pro if you wanted performance in a laptop package. Now everything is lumped together with portability as the #1 priority. If Apple had just launched this as a new version of the Air I don't think anyone would be complaining so much.
  - chrischen 10y ago
    Other manufacturers don't make computers as good. If they did, you'd have bought one of theirs by now instead of complaining about Apple's offerings. Part of the reason why they make bad computers is they cave and make design decisions based on what random users ask. Users who potentially have no knowledge or experience in system design. As the famous quote goes, if you ask people what they want, they'd tell you a faster horse.
    - lucaspiller 10y ago
      Not sure why people are downvoting you, but yes you are right. That's the reason why so many people are frustrated about this. I don't want a "Dell XPS Pro" I want a Mac. I hope this model is just a stepping stone (apparently even the 13" has thermal support for current gen quad-core CPUs) for something a lot more powerful next year.
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nicky0 10y ago

If you need huge power why are you trying to do it in a laptop?

arvinsim 10y ago
False dichotomy. Why can't there be a middle ground?
- nicky0 10y ago
  Laptop form factor fundamentally goes against high power computing. It's very inelegant and I can see why Apple doesn't want to do it.
sadfsdfsadfsd 10y ago
Because we have to take our work with us? To meetings, to workspaces, etc. And, we're willing to pay a premium for high power, high portability. I could probably go buy a big workstation/gaming style pc laptop, but I'd rather pay more for a lightweight model.
- coderdude 10y ago
  This was exactly what I was shooting for, myself. I needed something powerful but portable. Ultimately what I got was very portable but not very powerful. "Time to reboot!" should not be part of the daily routine.
coderdude 10y ago
Well, I'm tired of an employee coming up to me and saying "this thing is going so slow" and it's just Firefox and some other things open. The hardware can't keep up with today's software demands. Whether it's a memory constraint or otherwise. Apple today doesn't "just work". It's not like I'm asking my employees to render the next Toy Story. We're talking emails and opening pages in a browser. I now do all my work on a beefy box running Ubuntu, as I did prior to my last year's stint in trying Apple hardware full time. I'm transitioning who I can onto similar setups and moving away from the laptop-as-the-main-computer setup. They just aren't good enough for it.
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- Veen 10y ago
  > he hardware can't keep up with today's software demands Another way of putting this: modern software is so bloated and poorly designed that it wastes massive amounts of memory and processor resources.
  - coderdude 10y ago
    If you've ever used Firefox this isn't lost on you. However, it's a pitiful defense for a $1500+ computer.
- scholia 10y ago
  > I'm transitioning who I can onto similar setups and moving away from the laptop-as-the-main-computer setup. They just aren't good enough for it. Beefy desktops also have much better ergonomics (unless laptops are used on a riser with an external keyboard etc). This should mean fewer computer-induced injuries and fewer courses of expensive physiotherapy in the future. I've needed two courses, after foolishly working full-time on laptops. As a result, I've gone back to desktops. The superior performance, lower prices, and the fact that they last much longer are extra benefits...
- rocky1138 10y ago
  As primarily a web developer this wasn't the case for me, but now that I'm essentially all in on VR the problem has become acute. For the first time in a decade I went out and built a desktop.
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lucaspiller 10y ago
That's not really the point - other manufactures make laptops that are much more powerful than Apple. The ThinkPad P50 can be configured with a Xeon, 4K display and 64GB RAM for nearly the same price as the base 15" MacBook Pro. Ok maybe it doesn't have all day battery life - but most people, especially people who want "Pro" hardware, probably only need a few hours max. I've had an Air for two years, and I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I've used the full battery - all international flights and trains I've been on have had power sockets, so I can charge on the go. Plus thanks to USB-C, you can use a power bank to charge your laptop if you need more power: http://www.macworld.com/article/3028132/consumer-electronics/best-usb-c-battery-pack-review.html http://www.macworld.com/article/3028132/consumer-electronics... Apple is no longer giving consumers a choice, before there was the MacBook (old one) if you wanted a more-affordable entry level machine, the Air if you needed ok performance but great portability, and the Pro if you wanted performance in a laptop package. Now everything is lumped together with portability as the #1 priority. If Apple had just launched this as a new version of the Air I don't think anyone would be complaining so much.
- chrischen 10y ago
  Other manufacturers don't make computers as good. If they did, you'd have bought one of theirs by now instead of complaining about Apple's offerings. Part of the reason why they make bad computers is they cave and make design decisions based on what random users ask. Users who potentially have no knowledge or experience in system design. As the famous quote goes, if you ask people what they want, they'd tell you a faster horse.
  - lucaspiller 10y ago
    Not sure why people are downvoting you, but yes you are right. That's the reason why so many people are frustrated about this. I don't want a "Dell XPS Pro" I want a Mac. I hope this model is just a stepping stone (apparently even the 13" has thermal support for current gen quad-core CPUs) for something a lot more powerful next year.
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