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Wrong. It's the Twitter for free speech.

by rvcamo 10y ago

drivingmenuts 10y ago
Whatever. Unless it's carefully moderated (ie., censored, to some) it will gather a large collection of angry right-wing posters or angry left-wing posters. One side will harass the other and the other side will eventually go elsewhere. Then it will be just another echo chamber. If the creator has pivoted to the alt-right, it's a pretty sure guess that it will wind up being another 8chan/stormfront/what have you.
- nailer 10y ago
  You could bubble them. Left folk who don't like right wing folk only see left people, right folk who don't like left wink folk in their own bubble. Let people see who they want to see, but if they & enough of their friends say "don't show me X" then don't show them X.
hyperpape 10y ago
...you mean Twitter?
- VaChildAbuse 10y ago
  Twitter shadowbanned me for posting details of child abuse I experienced that left me disabled. These details included the names of people involved and summaries of acts committed against me. Some of the principals in these acts and all of the accessories to them are employees of a school board, police department, city government, and political boards. I posted links to articles from local media showing that there's a culture of child abuse in the city and that it still pervades more than 25 years after I was abused. I identified a certain juvenile detention facility and explained how it was designed to be and operated as a wholesale child abuse factory. I posted a report from the Department of Justice calling out the state on the ways that it abuses children. Twitter apparently thinks that trying to effect positive change, to-wit, ending the wide scale child abuse and holding the abusers accountable to law, is a bad thing.
  - VaChildAbuse 10y ago
    Interesting! I've become unshadowbanned in the past hour. Now maybe the names & photos I've tweeted will go back in Google's search results.
- gfosco 10y ago
  Twitter has been extremely heavy on censorship this year. Dozens of high-profile users banned, hundreds 'shadow-banned', and unbelievable levels of hashtag manipulation. Twitter is not in favor of free speech, on top of being a terrible business.
  - VaChildAbuse 10y ago
    And some incendiaries are left alone. Look at @rabite aka weev.
    - Torgo 10y ago
      These days he seems to actually be pretty careful about not crossing the line. But one day someone will be annoyed enough to suspend him anyway.
  - hyperpape 10y ago
    Which users were banned for expression of opinions? I initially wrote "high profile", following your comment, but I don't actually care. High profile or not, that would make me worry. I know Milo was banned based on the accusations that he'd orchestrated harassment of Leslie Jones, but I haven't heard of anyone being banned simply for expressing a political position. As far as hashtag manipulation goes, I'm not sure what you mean. If you just mean they don't put some hashtags on trending, that may or may not be a bad approach to promoting healthy debate, but it's not a free speech issue.
    - gfosco 10y ago
      Recently? I'll give you one: Clint Eastwood. Yes, they control hashtags. It is a censorship issue. They lie about what's trending, every, single, day. There's a global problem with Twitter censorship, to the point it has a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter
      - hyperpape 10y ago

Wrong. It's the Twitter for free speech.

by rvcamo 10y ago

Wrong. It's the Twitter for free speech.

Whatever. Unless it's carefully moderated (ie., censored, to some) it will gather a large collection of angry right-wing posters or angry left-wing posters. One side will harass the other and the other side will eventually go elsewhere. Then it will be just another echo chamber. If the creator has pivoted to the alt-right, it's a pretty sure guess that it will wind up being another 8chan/stormfront/what have you.

nailer 10y ago
You could bubble them. Left folk who don't like right wing folk only see left people, right folk who don't like left wink folk in their own bubble. Let people see who they want to see, but if they & enough of their friends say "don't show me X" then don't show them X.

hyperpape 10y ago

...you mean Twitter?

VaChildAbuse 10y ago
Twitter shadowbanned me for posting details of child abuse I experienced that left me disabled. These details included the names of people involved and summaries of acts committed against me. Some of the principals in these acts and all of the accessories to them are employees of a school board, police department, city government, and political boards. I posted links to articles from local media showing that there's a culture of child abuse in the city and that it still pervades more than 25 years after I was abused. I identified a certain juvenile detention facility and explained how it was designed to be and operated as a wholesale child abuse factory. I posted a report from the Department of Justice calling out the state on the ways that it abuses children. Twitter apparently thinks that trying to effect positive change, to-wit, ending the wide scale child abuse and holding the abusers accountable to law, is a bad thing.
- VaChildAbuse 10y ago
  Interesting! I've become unshadowbanned in the past hour. Now maybe the names & photos I've tweeted will go back in Google's search results.
gfosco 10y ago
Twitter has been extremely heavy on censorship this year. Dozens of high-profile users banned, hundreds 'shadow-banned', and unbelievable levels of hashtag manipulation. Twitter is not in favor of free speech, on top of being a terrible business.
- VaChildAbuse 10y ago
  And some incendiaries are left alone. Look at @rabite aka weev.
  - Torgo 10y ago
    These days he seems to actually be pretty careful about not crossing the line. But one day someone will be annoyed enough to suspend him anyway.
- hyperpape 10y ago
  Which users were banned for expression of opinions? I initially wrote "high profile", following your comment, but I don't actually care. High profile or not, that would make me worry. I know Milo was banned based on the accusations that he'd orchestrated harassment of Leslie Jones, but I haven't heard of anyone being banned simply for expressing a political position. As far as hashtag manipulation goes, I'm not sure what you mean. If you just mean they don't put some hashtags on trending, that may or may not be a bad approach to promoting healthy debate, but it's not a free speech issue.
  - gfosco 10y ago
    Recently? I'll give you one: Clint Eastwood. Yes, they control hashtags. It is a censorship issue. They lie about what's trending, every, single, day. There's a global problem with Twitter censorship, to the point it has a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Twitter
    - hyperpape 10y ago