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> by changing the security settings on the computer Sierra has disabled the "install from any source" option (although you can re-enable it with some terminal

by loopbit 10y ago

> by changing the security settings on the computer Sierra has disabled the "install from any source" option (although you can re-enable it with some terminal magic). How long until they disable the identified developers option too and leave a system like the iphone?

tinus_hn 10y ago
If the user cannot be trusted to make reasonable choices because he doesn't understand or want to read security popups, you have to make the choice for them. That's what Apple is doing and so is Microsoft. It's the only way to go if you want a secure system. And guess what: people appreciate a stable, secure system that makes it difficult to distribute malware. They appreciate it more than fear-mongering about theoretical issues. Apple is never going to completely lock down the Mac because it can't be a development platform if it is locked down. Besides, why would they even want to?
- jpetso 10y ago
  > If the user cannot be trusted to make reasonable choices because he doesn't understand or want to read security popups, you have to make the choice for them. I would bring up a libertarian argument to counter this view, but unfortunately I don't politically lean that way do it wouldn't be authentic. Somebody definitely should make that point, though.
  - userbinator 10y ago
    Somebody definitely should make that point, though. Like Richard Stallman? https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html
eridius 10y ago
> How long until they disable the identified developers option too and leave a system like the iphone? Never. That would literally kill the platform. And nothing Apple has done has indicated that they even want to go this route. For example, against all expectations, they haven't been expanding the set of sandbox exemptions for apps, which means there are still large classes of apps that cannot be distributed on the App Store as they need functionality that isn't available in the sandbox. Removing the "disable Gatekeeper" option from the UI does not indicate that Apple wants to force everybody on the App Store, it means that Apple wants everybody to codesign their apps. But, as you already mentioned, you can easily re-enable it from the CLI, and anyone who isn't capable of finding out how to do that is almost certainly not qualified to judge the security implications of making that change.
nicky0 10y ago
Actually they haven't. You can still install from any source by right clicking and choosing Open. Also one of Sierra's new features is adding support for non-MAS apps to use iCloud features. If they were planning to freeze out non-MAS apps, why would they do that?
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by loopbit 10y ago

tinus_hn 10y ago

If the user cannot be trusted to make reasonable choices because he doesn't understand or want to read security popups, you have to make the choice for them. That's what Apple is doing and so is Microsoft. It's the only way to go if you want a secure system. And guess what: people appreciate a stable, secure system that makes it difficult to distribute malware. They appreciate it more than fear-mongering about theoretical issues. Apple is never going to completely lock down the Mac because it can't be a development platform if it is locked down. Besides, why would they even want to?

jpetso 10y ago
> If the user cannot be trusted to make reasonable choices because he doesn't understand or want to read security popups, you have to make the choice for them. I would bring up a libertarian argument to counter this view, but unfortunately I don't politically lean that way do it wouldn't be authentic. Somebody definitely should make that point, though.
- userbinator 10y ago
  Somebody definitely should make that point, though. Like Richard Stallman? https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

eridius 10y ago

> How long until they disable the identified developers option too and leave a system like the iphone? Never. That would literally kill the platform. And nothing Apple has done has indicated that they even want to go this route. For example, against all expectations, they haven't been expanding the set of sandbox exemptions for apps, which means there are still large classes of apps that cannot be distributed on the App Store as they need functionality that isn't available in the sandbox. Removing the "disable Gatekeeper" option from the UI does not indicate that Apple wants to force everybody on the App Store, it means that Apple wants everybody to codesign their apps. But, as you already mentioned, you can easily re-enable it from the CLI, and anyone who isn't capable of finding out how to do that is almost certainly not qualified to judge the security implications of making that change.

nicky0 10y ago

Actually they haven't. You can still install from any source by right clicking and choosing Open. Also one of Sierra's new features is adding support for non-MAS apps to use iCloud features. If they were planning to freeze out non-MAS apps, why would they do that?

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