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> 59million liked all new age sjw stuff That is such an absurd and reductionist dismissal of this election that is no different than the equally wrong people s

> 59million liked all new age sjw stuff That is such an absurd and reductionist dismissal of this election that is no different than the equally wrong people saying "59 million people liked all the old sexist, homophobic, racist and xenophobic attitudes, and 59 million other people didn't" What you are doing here is just perpetuating the problems that have plagued this election cycle and made it so people are completely unable to discuss real issues.

zzalpha 10y ago
I almost think this was a textbook troll. Start with a reasonable statement. Back that up with some interesting facts. Then drop a bomb in the room and wait for the aftermath. Pretty nicely crafted, all things considered...
- sickbeard 10y ago
  Thanks but you're wrong. Maybe SJW is a trigger word for you but it was just a general description of the divide shown in the US election. The people living outside of the cities obviously rejected things being shoved down their throats. For the record I liked Hillary, but I wouldn't be surprised if she lost against a frog.. let alone trump.
  - 75j 10y ago
    What does SJW mean to you? Just someone who cares about social issues, or someone who only pretends to care for self-serving purposes? Or something else? I really dislike that term, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what exactly people mean by it.
    - sickbeard 10y ago
      I don't find that term offensive at all. To me it it means you believe in something and you're going to stand up for it.
      - zzalpha 10y ago
        Please. Let's all admit SJW has a clear, negative connotation. I mean, geez, it has a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views,[1] including feminism,[1][2] civil rights,[1] multiculturalism,[1] and identity politics. Are you really going to claim that you weren't aware of this when you threw that term out there?
        Nadya 10y ago
        >Let's all admit SJW has a clear, negative connotation. I mean, geez, it has a Wikipedia page: Many of them also own up to the term and use it to refer to themselves in a positive manner, even placing it in their Twitter bio's next to a link to their Patreon. Anyone who actually spends any amount of time in the political sphere where SJW run rampant is aware of this. Someone like myself uses it with the full negative connotation implied, because every SJW I know is a self-centered narcissist. But go ask the Twittersphere SJW's if they identify as a SJW and many will say yes. They see nothing wrong with it at all, after all they're in the right. They claim the moral high ground so how could being a SJW be a bad thing? "Oh, you're calling me a not-racist, not-sexist, not-misogynist? How is that a bad thing again?" Anyone who is distanced from that political sphere but might know some college-aged SJW crowd could easily see and use it as a "positive phrase".
        75j 10y ago
        > Anyone who actually spends any amount of time in the political sphere where SJW run rampant is aware of this. I have been reading up on politics or engaged in political discussion online for maybe ~4 hours daily for the past two years. I have never seen "SJW" used non-pejoratively, and I've never seen anyone own the term and apply it to themselves. Not saying you're wrong, but it's not nearly as common as you're pretending.
        Nadya 10y ago
        When I have access to my bookmarks later today, I have no problem providing countless prominent individuals in the "SJW Sphere" to prove my point that they use it positively and someone less engaged could easily see it as a positive term. >I have been reading up on politics or engaged in political discussion online for maybe ~4 hours daily for the past two years. The exact opposite of not being politically engaged and having the few times you've seen the term be in a positive usage... I've been actively against SJW's and every niche they try to get their grimy paws on for the past four to five years. Almost all of my political engagement has been contrary to SJW talking points - not because of what they argue for, but because of how they go about it. I use it negatively and have no issue with saying I do. I'm around crowds that exclusively only use it negatively. I also see it used positively, or at least tongue-in-cheek all the time. If someone uses the term and claims they did not mean to use it with negative connotations - I believe their intentions. I'm not pretending it is common. I'm declaring it can be, is used, was used, and has been used positively and neutrally and that people still do so. Prior to #GamerGate turning it into a slur the Wikipedia article even mentions it was a positive thing. It's very easy to not be actively aware of #GamerGate or TiA (TumblrInAction) and outside of those two bubbles you're not very likely to even run into the term "SJW". sickbeard denies the intent and claims to have viewed it in a neutral, if even slightly positive, light. Arguing otherwise is dishonest and viewing things from your own viewpoint. Projecting intention where there is none. Ironically that is something people are sick of SJW's doing. And yes, I used it negatively there.
  - dasil003 10y ago
    Come on, "SJW", "trigger word"? That right there is loaded language to begin with. And you can't explain the Obama/Trump voter with the SJW angle. To me the most telling statistic was how many people that voted for Trump believed him to be unqualified. The divide is clearly between insider vs outsider, and dissatisfaction with the status quo. For me the Dems got caught with their pants down because Trump is so despicable as a human that they deemed him unelectable. But they got blind-sided because Trump's message resonated so strongly with half the country that his personal flaws were beside the point.
- jbondeson 10y ago
  Could be, but personally I'm done with being silent and just chuckling silently to myself or rolling my eyes when people pull out these infotainment zingers disguised as "insight". The last year has ripped covers off the culture war that the US has been slowly boiling in like a frog. BLM and Trump aren't one offs, there are tons of people with serious gripes in this country, and for myself I'd rather call out the BS that obscures this than just sit here and let it stand unchallenged.
  - zzalpha 10y ago
    Could be, but personally I'm done with being silent and just chuckling silently to myself or rolling my eyes when people pull out these infotainment zingers disguised as "insight". I agree. Throwing a derogatory zinger out there like "SJW" (which is unquestionably a dog whistle... anyone who would claim otherwise is being dishonest) does nothing to enhance public discourse, and it's about time we all worked to recognize and discourage that kind of behaviour while we all try to have honest, forthright conversations that help everyone understand each other a little better. That is what you meant, right?
    - jbondeson 10y ago
      It's not just that, it's also the people who want to trot out "hur hur hur, only uneducated people voted for Trump" I'm just so sick of all the navel gazing going on between the Bernie or Bust'ers, the Establishment Dems, the NeverTrumps, the Pro-Trumps, the Libertarians, and on and on and on. Every last one of them is pushing some absurdly reductionist hot take argument in their bubbles and papering over the real issues plaguing people.
      - zzalpha 10y ago
        I couldn't agree more. I'm as liberal as they get, but Trump appealed to a broad demographic. Reducing it to "uneducated whites" does a disservice to the very foundations of American democracy, as it dismisses out of hand the very real concerns of nearly 50% of the American electorate. It would behoove everyone, including those in the media and the political system, to step back and get in touch with the values and concerns of those folks. Without that, the US is only going to become more polarized... and I'm not sure how much longer that can go on.
sickbeard 10y ago
I think you missed the point of my post. We live in a distortion field, but it's not because our beliefs are wrong, rather we underestimate how many people don't share it. Pre election they were all over trump. post election they have completely flipped and are blaming democrats/hillary/etc. When in reality we have a near perfect balance of competing views
renaudg 10y ago
He's actually not that wrong if you think about it. This cultural divide was a major issue : https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist...
- dlp211 10y ago
  Recognizing a cultural divide is fine, labeling one side new age SJW's and the other side racists bigots doesn't do that though. It just polarizes us even more and actively moves us further apart when we desperately need to start looking at ways to come together.

zzalpha 10y ago

I almost think this was a textbook troll. Start with a reasonable statement. Back that up with some interesting facts. Then drop a bomb in the room and wait for the aftermath. Pretty nicely crafted, all things considered...

sickbeard 10y ago
Thanks but you're wrong. Maybe SJW is a trigger word for you but it was just a general description of the divide shown in the US election. The people living outside of the cities obviously rejected things being shoved down their throats. For the record I liked Hillary, but I wouldn't be surprised if she lost against a frog.. let alone trump.
- 75j 10y ago
  What does SJW mean to you? Just someone who cares about social issues, or someone who only pretends to care for self-serving purposes? Or something else? I really dislike that term, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what exactly people mean by it.
  - sickbeard 10y ago
    I don't find that term offensive at all. To me it it means you believe in something and you're going to stand up for it.
    - zzalpha 10y ago
      Please. Let's all admit SJW has a clear, negative connotation. I mean, geez, it has a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views,[1] including feminism,[1][2] civil rights,[1] multiculturalism,[1] and identity politics. Are you really going to claim that you weren't aware of this when you threw that term out there?
      - Nadya 10y ago
        >Let's all admit SJW has a clear, negative connotation. I mean, geez, it has a Wikipedia page: Many of them also own up to the term and use it to refer to themselves in a positive manner, even placing it in their Twitter bio's next to a link to their Patreon. Anyone who actually spends any amount of time in the political sphere where SJW run rampant is aware of this. Someone like myself uses it with the full negative connotation implied, because every SJW I know is a self-centered narcissist. But go ask the Twittersphere SJW's if they identify as a SJW and many will say yes. They see nothing wrong with it at all, after all they're in the right. They claim the moral high ground so how could being a SJW be a bad thing? "Oh, you're calling me a not-racist, not-sexist, not-misogynist? How is that a bad thing again?" Anyone who is distanced from that political sphere but might know some college-aged SJW crowd could easily see and use it as a "positive phrase".
        75j 10y ago
        > Anyone who actually spends any amount of time in the political sphere where SJW run rampant is aware of this. I have been reading up on politics or engaged in political discussion online for maybe ~4 hours daily for the past two years. I have never seen "SJW" used non-pejoratively, and I've never seen anyone own the term and apply it to themselves. Not saying you're wrong, but it's not nearly as common as you're pretending.
        Nadya 10y ago
        When I have access to my bookmarks later today, I have no problem providing countless prominent individuals in the "SJW Sphere" to prove my point that they use it positively and someone less engaged could easily see it as a positive term. >I have been reading up on politics or engaged in political discussion online for maybe ~4 hours daily for the past two years. The exact opposite of not being politically engaged and having the few times you've seen the term be in a positive usage... I've been actively against SJW's and every niche they try to get their grimy paws on for the past four to five years. Almost all of my political engagement has been contrary to SJW talking points - not because of what they argue for, but because of how they go about it. I use it negatively and have no issue with saying I do. I'm around crowds that exclusively only use it negatively. I also see it used positively, or at least tongue-in-cheek all the time. If someone uses the term and claims they did not mean to use it with negative connotations - I believe their intentions. I'm not pretending it is common. I'm declaring it can be, is used, was used, and has been used positively and neutrally and that people still do so. Prior to #GamerGate turning it into a slur the Wikipedia article even mentions it was a positive thing. It's very easy to not be actively aware of #GamerGate or TiA (TumblrInAction) and outside of those two bubbles you're not very likely to even run into the term "SJW". sickbeard denies the intent and claims to have viewed it in a neutral, if even slightly positive, light. Arguing otherwise is dishonest and viewing things from your own viewpoint. Projecting intention where there is none. Ironically that is something people are sick of SJW's doing. And yes, I used it negatively there.
- dasil003 10y ago
  Come on, "SJW", "trigger word"? That right there is loaded language to begin with. And you can't explain the Obama/Trump voter with the SJW angle. To me the most telling statistic was how many people that voted for Trump believed him to be unqualified. The divide is clearly between insider vs outsider, and dissatisfaction with the status quo. For me the Dems got caught with their pants down because Trump is so despicable as a human that they deemed him unelectable. But they got blind-sided because Trump's message resonated so strongly with half the country that his personal flaws were beside the point.
jbondeson 10y ago
Could be, but personally I'm done with being silent and just chuckling silently to myself or rolling my eyes when people pull out these infotainment zingers disguised as "insight". The last year has ripped covers off the culture war that the US has been slowly boiling in like a frog. BLM and Trump aren't one offs, there are tons of people with serious gripes in this country, and for myself I'd rather call out the BS that obscures this than just sit here and let it stand unchallenged.
- zzalpha 10y ago
  Could be, but personally I'm done with being silent and just chuckling silently to myself or rolling my eyes when people pull out these infotainment zingers disguised as "insight". I agree. Throwing a derogatory zinger out there like "SJW" (which is unquestionably a dog whistle... anyone who would claim otherwise is being dishonest) does nothing to enhance public discourse, and it's about time we all worked to recognize and discourage that kind of behaviour while we all try to have honest, forthright conversations that help everyone understand each other a little better. That is what you meant, right?
  - jbondeson 10y ago
    It's not just that, it's also the people who want to trot out "hur hur hur, only uneducated people voted for Trump" I'm just so sick of all the navel gazing going on between the Bernie or Bust'ers, the Establishment Dems, the NeverTrumps, the Pro-Trumps, the Libertarians, and on and on and on. Every last one of them is pushing some absurdly reductionist hot take argument in their bubbles and papering over the real issues plaguing people.
    - zzalpha 10y ago
      I couldn't agree more. I'm as liberal as they get, but Trump appealed to a broad demographic. Reducing it to "uneducated whites" does a disservice to the very foundations of American democracy, as it dismisses out of hand the very real concerns of nearly 50% of the American electorate. It would behoove everyone, including those in the media and the political system, to step back and get in touch with the values and concerns of those folks. Without that, the US is only going to become more polarized... and I'm not sure how much longer that can go on.

sickbeard 10y ago

I think you missed the point of my post. We live in a distortion field, but it's not because our beliefs are wrong, rather we underestimate how many people don't share it. Pre election they were all over trump. post election they have completely flipped and are blaming democrats/hillary/etc. When in reality we have a near perfect balance of competing views

renaudg 10y ago

He's actually not that wrong if you think about it. This cultural divide was a major issue : https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist...

dlp211 10y ago
Recognizing a cultural divide is fine, labeling one side new age SJW's and the other side racists bigots doesn't do that though. It just polarizes us even more and actively moves us further apart when we desperately need to start looking at ways to come together.