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Don't forget Ukraine, bro. Now we're trying to keep distance from Russia as far as we can. We had some shared history, but that's only because of our geographic
by kislotnik 10y ago
Don't forget Ukraine, bro. Now we're trying to keep distance from Russia as far as we can. We had some shared history, but that's only because of our geographical proximity. Everything else - culture, traditions, ideas, language, folklore and literature is different.
- konart 10y ago>folklore and literature is different. >traditions Excuse me, but this is complete bullshit. >some shared history Unlike some other countries Ukraine was almost never independent.
- cik2e 10y agoFolklore, maybe not, but Ukraine does have it's own literature. Anyway, the point he is making is valid. Ukraine is fighting hard to get out from under Russia's boot.
- konart 10y agoI wasn't saying Ukraine doesn't have it's own literature though.
- qaq 10y agoYou are conveniently pretending that a fringe region that overtook it's founding metropoly is somehow entitled to the history and culture of that metropoly. If US annexed England it would not suddenly become a nation with a 1000+ year history.
- kislotnik 10y agothis. cannot upvote more, it's the actual reason we've been harassed for so many years - to make the history shared.
- konart 10y agoNo, nobody is saying that about Russia\Ukraine. Modern Russia comes from were we pushed mongols away and from Grand Duchy of Moscow (est. 1283). This, however, can't change the fact the Kievan Rus' (fell 1240) is the root for both countries. All I was saying is that we do share more than some people thing or want to believe, just because of the recent events.
- aldanor 10y agoUkraine was pretty much never independent. No shared history, with Kiev having been capital of Russia for 3-4 centuries?
- golergka 10y agoIt's like saying that Athens were the capital of Roman empire before Rome.
- logfromblammo 10y ago...which sounds like something that every Greek person would agree with, without even an iota of doubt or shame. Some of the Greek-Americans I have known actually have said exactly that, spontaneously, and completely independently of one another.
- krzyk 10y agoKiev was capital of Kievan Rus', which is a different entity than the Grand Duchy of Moscow which later became Russia.
- Mikeb85 10y agoRussia is named after the Rus people... Ukraine literally means 'border'...
- PerfectDlite 10y ago> Ukraine literally means 'border'... So, Russians are not aware of Slavic languages, where 'Kraina' (as in Ukraina) means country?
- Mikeb85 10y agoDon't know your point but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
- EugeneOZ 10y agoVery funny to read this absurd. I respect Ukrainians, and we (russians) have a lot of common traditions and culture. Ask yourself, what nationality had Gogol? Is it russian or ukrainian writer? You have reasons to hate Putin, not Russia.
- lubonay 10y agoThey also have very valid reasons to hate Stalin. Since these are the most prominent heads of state of the USSR and the modern Russian Federation, they pretty much represent Russia. If you think Russia has more to offer Ukraine than genocide and invasion, maybe speak up in your own country against these things.
- EugeneOZ 10y agoI could name few assholes from any nation, could argue that Mussolini doesn't represent italians as a nation, or french/britain/spain tyrans don't represent nobody except themselves. But I see you are deafened by hate.
- Retric 10y agoVladimir Putin has been ruling Russia for over 15 years and is still in charge. So for now he really does represent Russia.
- EugeneOZ 10y agoMmm.. Where is logical link between "15 years" and "does represent"? He will rule until death, as all dictators. It doesn't represent nothing. But if you just looking for reasons to hate Russia together with putin - nothing will help. People love and hate what they want to love or hate, arguing here is pointless.
- Retric 10y agoI don't care even slightly about Putin, the link is as an entrenched dictator Russia's government represents his will. People who dislike Putin are completely reasonable to not want to be part of a country run by the guy. PS: I find it odd that Dictators get a bad rap when kings get a good one.
- Mikeb85 10y agoThis is revisionist history if I've ever seen it. Ukraine and Russia have more in common than, say, Paris and Lyon.
- krzyk 10y agoUkraine has more in common with Poland (which was ruling the majority of territories where Ukraine is now) than with Russia (which took those territories from Poland in the late 18th century during the partitioning of Poland).
- rangibaby 10y ago*West Ukraine. Which is I guess the real root of the civil war and other trouble there
- Mikeb85 10y agoThis is laughable at best. Either you're from Lviv or not Ukrainian. I'm half Ukrainian in Canada and didn't grow up learning much love for Poland. Ukrainian folk heroes fought against Poland. There's religious differences among Ukrainians because of Poland. It's the running joke that we're arch enemies.
- krzyk 10y agoI only wrote about influence, I just said that Poland had more influence on Ukraine than Russia. And I pretty much think that most Ukrainians hate Russia (and Soviet Union - Holodomor) more than they hate Poland.