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I don't like reading articles like this one. I hate discrimination and I am amazed that in 2016 we still have it. I am creating a website that lists companies t

by vsergiu 10y ago

I don't like reading articles like this one. I hate discrimination and I am amazed that in 2016 we still have it. I am creating a website that lists companies that are hiring Latinos. Post your tech job here https://goo.gl/forms/CVIMrhigDXicaSUM2 https://goo.gl/forms/CVIMrhigDXicaSUM2 if you are excited working with Latinos.

whitegenocide 10y ago
Shouldn't companies be hiring anyone who is qualified, latino or not?
- fataliss 10y ago
  In a perfect unbiased world, sure. Reality is quite a bit different sadly.
- Retra 10y ago
  That's easy to believe when you don't say what "qualified" means. For someone to be 'qualified' for a position, it only need be a good decision for that company to hire that person, which may well be a factor of how the company is perceived by the public.
- incompatible 10y ago
  I guess there will usually be plenty of qualified applicants for any particular position. Typical hiring processes may give scope for picking the one that will fit in best culturally, which would be the opposite to diversity.
placeybordeaux 10y ago
Creating a website that only caters to a given ethnicity is extremely discriminatory.
- vsergiu 10y ago
  It's not. It just helps Latinos find jobs easier. There are a ton of sites for female in tech and no one complains.
  - jimmywanger 10y ago
    Everyone complains. If you're a white or asian male you get absolutely no help with getting hired in tech, getting trained for tech jobs, etc etc. And by starting a list of companies that hire Latinos, you're implying all other companies don't hire Latinos. I cannot think of a single company who openly discriminates against Latinos, so it's a false premise. It's not like Jim Crow days, where you'd maintain lists of restaurants who would serve black customers. And the statement "If you are excited working with Latinos" is horrible. I'm excited working with anybody who is competent, easy to get along with, and can teach me things. Why would you be specifically excited about working with Latinos?
    - wwweston 10y ago
      > Everyone complains. If you're a white or asian male you get absolutely no help with getting hired in tech, getting trained for tech jobs, etc etc. The argument goes that if you fall into one of those groups, you are generally helped by being what a lot of people think someone in that role should look like, at a minimum unconsciously and in some cases consciously. It's not a full articulation of the dynamic behind people's backgrounds and what happens in a hiring process, and so it might not be the best idea to orient initiatives/activism entirely around that, but it's a pretty reasonable point of view.
      - ebfe 10y ago
        >you are generally helped... They're not necessarily wrong, either. I'm responsible for hiring decisions, and whenever possible I prefer to go with white and Asian men because 1. I know their accomplishments are the result of their own ability rather than hand-holding, and 2. if things go sour, they're not going to sue me. Obviously few women or PoC do those things, but with a white/Asian guy you remove the risk entirely.
- ebfe 10y ago
  Who cares? It has absolutely no effect on you, while helping his group of people. The world would be a better place if people worked on improving their own communities as much as they do policing to make sure nobody else is improving theirs.
  - placeybordeaux 10y ago
    I don't care too much, I just found the statement "I hate discrimination" was incongruent with making a site that offers jobs to a specific ethnicity.
    - ebfe 10y ago
      Ah, I read that as saying that he hates discrimination against himself.
revoltingx 10y ago
Do you not like it because it goes against the escape-goat excuse of racism? Tech, like a sport, is about how TALENTED you are above all. I'm a Hispanic engineer and this blame culture is precisely why there's not more like us. We need to teach our kids and people to stop watching spanish only TV, to study their asses off, to stop going to college for useless majors, etc. This country is amazing, specially in the opportunities in the tech sector. I advice anyone who wants to succeed to stop worrying about racism and worry about how you're going to be the best at what you do.

by vsergiu 10y ago

whitegenocide 10y ago

Shouldn't companies be hiring anyone who is qualified, latino or not?

fataliss 10y ago
In a perfect unbiased world, sure. Reality is quite a bit different sadly.
Retra 10y ago
That's easy to believe when you don't say what "qualified" means. For someone to be 'qualified' for a position, it only need be a good decision for that company to hire that person, which may well be a factor of how the company is perceived by the public.
incompatible 10y ago
I guess there will usually be plenty of qualified applicants for any particular position. Typical hiring processes may give scope for picking the one that will fit in best culturally, which would be the opposite to diversity.

placeybordeaux 10y ago

Creating a website that only caters to a given ethnicity is extremely discriminatory.

vsergiu 10y ago
It's not. It just helps Latinos find jobs easier. There are a ton of sites for female in tech and no one complains.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  Everyone complains. If you're a white or asian male you get absolutely no help with getting hired in tech, getting trained for tech jobs, etc etc. And by starting a list of companies that hire Latinos, you're implying all other companies don't hire Latinos. I cannot think of a single company who openly discriminates against Latinos, so it's a false premise. It's not like Jim Crow days, where you'd maintain lists of restaurants who would serve black customers. And the statement "If you are excited working with Latinos" is horrible. I'm excited working with anybody who is competent, easy to get along with, and can teach me things. Why would you be specifically excited about working with Latinos?
  - wwweston 10y ago
    > Everyone complains. If you're a white or asian male you get absolutely no help with getting hired in tech, getting trained for tech jobs, etc etc. The argument goes that if you fall into one of those groups, you are generally helped by being what a lot of people think someone in that role should look like, at a minimum unconsciously and in some cases consciously. It's not a full articulation of the dynamic behind people's backgrounds and what happens in a hiring process, and so it might not be the best idea to orient initiatives/activism entirely around that, but it's a pretty reasonable point of view.
    - ebfe 10y ago
      >you are generally helped... They're not necessarily wrong, either. I'm responsible for hiring decisions, and whenever possible I prefer to go with white and Asian men because 1. I know their accomplishments are the result of their own ability rather than hand-holding, and 2. if things go sour, they're not going to sue me. Obviously few women or PoC do those things, but with a white/Asian guy you remove the risk entirely.
ebfe 10y ago
Who cares? It has absolutely no effect on you, while helping his group of people. The world would be a better place if people worked on improving their own communities as much as they do policing to make sure nobody else is improving theirs.
- placeybordeaux 10y ago
  I don't care too much, I just found the statement "I hate discrimination" was incongruent with making a site that offers jobs to a specific ethnicity.
  - ebfe 10y ago
    Ah, I read that as saying that he hates discrimination against himself.

revoltingx 10y ago

Do you not like it because it goes against the escape-goat excuse of racism? Tech, like a sport, is about how TALENTED you are above all. I'm a Hispanic engineer and this blame culture is precisely why there's not more like us. We need to teach our kids and people to stop watching spanish only TV, to study their asses off, to stop going to college for useless majors, etc. This country is amazing, specially in the opportunities in the tech sector. I advice anyone who wants to succeed to stop worrying about racism and worry about how you're going to be the best at what you do.