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"Controlling what my own mechanical device does with the information it receives from other people's machines. Even if the internet had no ads and no tracking c

"Controlling what my own mechanical device does with the information it receives from other people's machines. Even if the internet had no ads and no tracking code and no malware anywhere whatsoever, there would still be a need for the technology to block and change the way in which my computer handles the things sent to it by other computers before showing them to me. " This is not true at all. You see ads all the time in apps you have on your mobile device (i.e. non browser) - and there is nothing you can do about it. Is the world freaking out over the consumers ability to 'control which ads come up in a specific app'? Not really.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
Ad blockers are a thing on mobile, too.
problems 10y ago
A few recommendations for you: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=ad&fdid=org.adaway https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=ad&fdid=org.... http://repo.xposed.info/module/tw.fatminmin.xposed.minminguard http://repo.xposed.info/module/tw.fatminmin.xposed.minmingua... Never seen an in-app ad on mobile personally. No one is freaking out because it's a solved problem already. If those don't do it for you, write an Xposed module to strip it like http://repo.xposed.info/module/ma.wanam.youtubeadaway http://repo.xposed.info/module/ma.wanam.youtubeadaway Don't underestimate people who hate ads, especially video ads.
- jomamaxx 10y ago
  "Don't underestimate people who hate ads, especially video ads." If you don't want ads - then you have to pay for the apps. Get it? This has nothing to do with technology, ad-blockers, advertisers or anything else. It's not even at the level of 'economics'. No pay / No ads = no content. None of you teenagers have been able to counter that point yet. > 99% of Apps and Websites with content would disappear if there was no ad revenue or payment. I can't believe that any of you are finished school and have jobs, because all this talk of 'turing machines' is laughable and incredulous.
  - problems 10y ago
    > If you don't want ads - then you have to pay for the apps. Some apps don't even offer an ad-free option. I'll pay if they provide me value, I won't pay if they don't, simple as that. This used to be a more standard model called shareware, but it kind of died out in the mobile app decade. > No pay / No ads = no content. > None of you teenagers have been able to counter that point yet. Why can't I pay them just as much as the ad-revenue they'd earn from me? It'd be fractions of a penny per page, nothing like the cost of most of these sites paid models. If they offered a reasonable payment model, I'd be much more open to it. But until they're willing to accept their real value per page view, I'm not interested in paying $10/mo for everything I use, when I wouldn't even provide them with $0.10/mo in ad revenue. For now, blocking ads is the only option if you want to get a full internet experience without the ads, if enough people block ads that advertising is no longer a viable model and more viable models become available, I'm more than open to them. But we have to get the industry to that point where they're at the consumer's whim and not like it is currently where the consumer is at the advertiser's whim. The advertisers having all the power is not a good solution here.
  - m3rc 10y ago
    No, if I want to support the creators i'll pay for the app. If I don't want to see ads, I'll block ads. It's a false equivalency to conflate support with willingly subjecting yourself to ads when other options exist, and as you can see here most people are rejecting it
- jomamaxx 10y ago
  "Don't underestimate people who hate ads, especially video ads." If you don't want ads - then you have to pay for the apps. Get it? This has nothing to do with technology, ad-blockers, advertisers or anything else. It's not even at the level of 'economics'. No pay / No ads = no content. None of you teenagers have been able to counter that point yet. > 99% of Apps and Websites with content would disappear if there was no ad revenue or payment. I can't believe that any of you are finished school and have jobs, because all this talk of 'turing machines' is laughable and incredulous.
pdkl95 10y ago
> Is the world freaking out over the consumers ability to 'control which ads come up in a specific app'? They should be. Unfortunately, most people don't understand what a Turing machine is, and so it is difficult to explain why it is important to fight back against the people - like you - who are waging a War On General Purpose Computers[1]. I'm sorry if your business model relies upon most people not using all of the capabilities of their General Purpose Computer. I suggest updating to a business model that is more compatible with modern technology, because trying to prevent people from controlling their own devices is a civil war[2] that will cause increasingly worse problems into the future. [1] http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html [2] http://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html http://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html
- jomamaxx 10y ago
  "They should be. Unfortunately, most people don't understand what a Turing machine is, and so it is difficult to explain why it is important to fight back against the people - like you - who are waging a War On General Purpose Computers[1]." You people are utterly deluded.
  - facetube 10y ago
    Ad hominem is against guidelines.
  - sctb 10y ago
    We've asked you enough times to please stop this, so we've banned this account.
domatic 10y ago
This is incorrect. A primary motivation I have for asserting ownership of my mobile (aka rooting) is system level adblocking. Adaway is what I use for this BTW. Apps are free to work or not if I kill ads. I just shrug and either buy the app or use something else. I absolutely do not put up with the interface of my mobile looking like the Vegas Strip.
- jomamaxx 10y ago
  "This is incorrect. A primary motivation I have for asserting ownership of my mobile (aka rooting) is system level adblocking." Again - logic fail. Just because you block ads, does not mean that the world is freaking out over in-app ads. 99% of people do not root their phones. 95% of people do not even use ad-blockers. Get outside your bubble, there are many users, but your mother and sister are probably not among them. Your comment about 'asserting your right over your phone' is naive and besides the point. What about company ABC's ability to not distribute the app that thy made unless there's an add in it. Have you read the privacy agreement on the site? It would be very easy for them to include a blurb: "You can have this content for free but it must be unaltered" or something of the like? Then what? Why do you think you have the right to take someone else's stuff on your own terms - just because you can get away with it? But more importantly - why do you think that 99% of content sites - which are ad-based or pay-based - will still exist when the whole world exerts 'their right to block ads' as you seem to think you have? Which part of 1 + 1 = 2 do you you not grasp? Someone has to pay for the content that is created. Visit your top 10 favourite web-sites - and then do the mental calculation: "Who will pay for this if there are no ads and I don't pay?" It's such a laughably simple concept.

TeMPOraL 10y ago

Ad blockers are a thing on mobile, too.

problems 10y ago

A few recommendations for you: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=ad&fdid=org.adaway https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=ad&fdid=org.... http://repo.xposed.info/module/tw.fatminmin.xposed.minminguard http://repo.xposed.info/module/tw.fatminmin.xposed.minmingua... Never seen an in-app ad on mobile personally. No one is freaking out because it's a solved problem already. If those don't do it for you, write an Xposed module to strip it like http://repo.xposed.info/module/ma.wanam.youtubeadaway http://repo.xposed.info/module/ma.wanam.youtubeadaway Don't underestimate people who hate ads, especially video ads.

jomamaxx 10y ago
"Don't underestimate people who hate ads, especially video ads." If you don't want ads - then you have to pay for the apps. Get it? This has nothing to do with technology, ad-blockers, advertisers or anything else. It's not even at the level of 'economics'. No pay / No ads = no content. None of you teenagers have been able to counter that point yet. > 99% of Apps and Websites with content would disappear if there was no ad revenue or payment. I can't believe that any of you are finished school and have jobs, because all this talk of 'turing machines' is laughable and incredulous.
- problems 10y ago
  > If you don't want ads - then you have to pay for the apps. Some apps don't even offer an ad-free option. I'll pay if they provide me value, I won't pay if they don't, simple as that. This used to be a more standard model called shareware, but it kind of died out in the mobile app decade. > No pay / No ads = no content. > None of you teenagers have been able to counter that point yet. Why can't I pay them just as much as the ad-revenue they'd earn from me? It'd be fractions of a penny per page, nothing like the cost of most of these sites paid models. If they offered a reasonable payment model, I'd be much more open to it. But until they're willing to accept their real value per page view, I'm not interested in paying $10/mo for everything I use, when I wouldn't even provide them with $0.10/mo in ad revenue. For now, blocking ads is the only option if you want to get a full internet experience without the ads, if enough people block ads that advertising is no longer a viable model and more viable models become available, I'm more than open to them. But we have to get the industry to that point where they're at the consumer's whim and not like it is currently where the consumer is at the advertiser's whim. The advertisers having all the power is not a good solution here.
- m3rc 10y ago
  No, if I want to support the creators i'll pay for the app. If I don't want to see ads, I'll block ads. It's a false equivalency to conflate support with willingly subjecting yourself to ads when other options exist, and as you can see here most people are rejecting it
jomamaxx 10y ago
"Don't underestimate people who hate ads, especially video ads." If you don't want ads - then you have to pay for the apps. Get it? This has nothing to do with technology, ad-blockers, advertisers or anything else. It's not even at the level of 'economics'. No pay / No ads = no content. None of you teenagers have been able to counter that point yet. > 99% of Apps and Websites with content would disappear if there was no ad revenue or payment. I can't believe that any of you are finished school and have jobs, because all this talk of 'turing machines' is laughable and incredulous.

pdkl95 10y ago

> Is the world freaking out over the consumers ability to 'control which ads come up in a specific app'? They should be. Unfortunately, most people don't understand what a Turing machine is, and so it is difficult to explain why it is important to fight back against the people - like you - who are waging a War On General Purpose Computers[1]. I'm sorry if your business model relies upon most people not using all of the capabilities of their General Purpose Computer. I suggest updating to a business model that is more compatible with modern technology, because trying to prevent people from controlling their own devices is a civil war[2] that will cause increasingly worse problems into the future. [1] http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html [2] http://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html http://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html

jomamaxx 10y ago
"They should be. Unfortunately, most people don't understand what a Turing machine is, and so it is difficult to explain why it is important to fight back against the people - like you - who are waging a War On General Purpose Computers[1]." You people are utterly deluded.
- facetube 10y ago
  Ad hominem is against guidelines.
- sctb 10y ago
  We've asked you enough times to please stop this, so we've banned this account.

domatic 10y ago

This is incorrect. A primary motivation I have for asserting ownership of my mobile (aka rooting) is system level adblocking. Adaway is what I use for this BTW. Apps are free to work or not if I kill ads. I just shrug and either buy the app or use something else. I absolutely do not put up with the interface of my mobile looking like the Vegas Strip.

jomamaxx 10y ago
"This is incorrect. A primary motivation I have for asserting ownership of my mobile (aka rooting) is system level adblocking." Again - logic fail. Just because you block ads, does not mean that the world is freaking out over in-app ads. 99% of people do not root their phones. 95% of people do not even use ad-blockers. Get outside your bubble, there are many users, but your mother and sister are probably not among them. Your comment about 'asserting your right over your phone' is naive and besides the point. What about company ABC's ability to not distribute the app that thy made unless there's an add in it. Have you read the privacy agreement on the site? It would be very easy for them to include a blurb: "You can have this content for free but it must be unaltered" or something of the like? Then what? Why do you think you have the right to take someone else's stuff on your own terms - just because you can get away with it? But more importantly - why do you think that 99% of content sites - which are ad-based or pay-based - will still exist when the whole world exerts 'their right to block ads' as you seem to think you have? Which part of 1 + 1 = 2 do you you not grasp? Someone has to pay for the content that is created. Visit your top 10 favourite web-sites - and then do the mental calculation: "Who will pay for this if there are no ads and I don't pay?" It's such a laughably simple concept.