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"Do this or you're fired" will typically get those below you to produce the change you desire. Not sure how you can put that much value on a skill inherit to a

"Do this or you're fired" will typically get those below you to produce the change you desire. Not sure how you can put that much value on a skill inherit to a hierarchical organization. If the organization was flat, then I would concede your point that affecting change without any seniority would be difficult and worth extra compensation. A true leader would need to be persuasive, knowledgeable and visionary. What you describe as "leadership" is people doing their job.

harryh 10y ago
"Do this or you're fired" will typically get those below you to produce the change you desire. LOL. If this were true it would be so much easier. But talented employees, who can easily get another job across the street, are more likely to laugh at you then do what you want if you talk to them like that.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  "Robert we have to complete this report by Thursday" == "Robert work overtime to complete this report by Thursday, or you will be fired" So the main skill of a CEO is he can ask nicely?
  - harryh 10y ago
    (We've gotten a bit off topic this deep in the thread. At this point we're really just talking about general management skills which really isn't a big thing for a CEO of any reasonably sized company. That being said....) Robert: Sorry I can't work late this week. It's my kid's birthday tomorrow.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      Boss: "Robert isn't a team player, let's contrive a reason to fire him so we don't have to pay unemployment."
      - harryh 10y ago
        Back in the real world it's not unemployment that you're gonna worry about. It's how much severance you're going to pay him. Somewhere between 1 and 3 months. Which he'll use to take a nice vacation and then easily go get another job whenever he's ready. And you'll be down a talented employee that's hard to replace. Nice work!
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        What's your alternative? "Gee, Robert you have such pretty eyes... please do this report?" Intelligent, talented people don't fall for that kind of stuff in my experience.
        harryh 10y ago
        You have to create an environment where Robert wants to do it before you even ask him.
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Honestly, this sort of non-quantifiable magic reminds me of Office Space. "I have people skills! I am good with dealing with people can't you understand that! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo
        mywittyname 10y ago
        > What's your alternative? A good leader has a good answer to this question!
        user5994461 10y ago
        > What's your alternative? It's trivial really => You do nothing and get the fuck out of the way so Robert can do the job. Intelligent & Talended people will do the work. They don't need (nor want) a bozo to dictate their every move ;)
      - 10y ago
karthikb 10y ago
Good leaders can effect change without resorting to the "do this or you're fired" line. If your manager kept using that line on you, I suspect you'd go find a place that didn't work that way.

harryh 10y ago

"Do this or you're fired" will typically get those below you to produce the change you desire. LOL. If this were true it would be so much easier. But talented employees, who can easily get another job across the street, are more likely to laugh at you then do what you want if you talk to them like that.

cmdrfred 10y ago
"Robert we have to complete this report by Thursday" == "Robert work overtime to complete this report by Thursday, or you will be fired" So the main skill of a CEO is he can ask nicely?
- harryh 10y ago
  (We've gotten a bit off topic this deep in the thread. At this point we're really just talking about general management skills which really isn't a big thing for a CEO of any reasonably sized company. That being said....) Robert: Sorry I can't work late this week. It's my kid's birthday tomorrow.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    Boss: "Robert isn't a team player, let's contrive a reason to fire him so we don't have to pay unemployment."
    - harryh 10y ago
      Back in the real world it's not unemployment that you're gonna worry about. It's how much severance you're going to pay him. Somewhere between 1 and 3 months. Which he'll use to take a nice vacation and then easily go get another job whenever he's ready. And you'll be down a talented employee that's hard to replace. Nice work!
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        What's your alternative? "Gee, Robert you have such pretty eyes... please do this report?" Intelligent, talented people don't fall for that kind of stuff in my experience.
        harryh 10y ago
        You have to create an environment where Robert wants to do it before you even ask him.
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Honestly, this sort of non-quantifiable magic reminds me of Office Space. "I have people skills! I am good with dealing with people can't you understand that! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo
        mywittyname 10y ago
        > What's your alternative? A good leader has a good answer to this question!
        user5994461 10y ago
        > What's your alternative? It's trivial really => You do nothing and get the fuck out of the way so Robert can do the job. Intelligent & Talended people will do the work. They don't need (nor want) a bozo to dictate their every move ;)
    - 10y ago

karthikb 10y ago

Good leaders can effect change without resorting to the "do this or you're fired" line. If your manager kept using that line on you, I suspect you'd go find a place that didn't work that way.