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In sum, you want to sacrifice choice with convenience. USB-C works with all the monitor you have and also with all the monitors you'll have. You can use any p

by NEDM64 10y ago

In sum, you want to sacrifice choice with convenience. USB-C works with all the monitor you have and also with all the monitors you'll have. You can use any port on the laptop and crucially charge the laptop and connect to a display with the same cable, and can be even used to connect to other peripherals using the same cable. Your argument is that you don't want to spend $10 in adapters, you'll end up spending more in the future and be limited in terms of compatibility with newer hardware. "Stick every Port in it" is ridiculous also. What laptop does have Ethernet, infiniband, USB-A/B/C, thunderbolt 2.0, miniDisplayPort, MiniUSB, MicroUSB, RS232, Centronics, PS/2, VGA, EGA, PCMCIA, SCSI, eSATA, S-video, etc?

rosser 10y ago
"$10 in adapters"? This is Apple we're talking about. The only thing they've ever sold at a $10 price point is the MagSafe 1 to MagSafe 2 adapter. And, frankly, even that was overpriced.
- NEDM64 10y ago
  Good thing is that you don't have to buy from Apple with UsB-C. Meanwhile, all those craptastic laptops that are "better than the MacBook Pro", you'll have to buy a specific adapter from the OEM.
  - rosser 10y ago
    If you want to try to run, e.g., graphics and power between your $2000+ MBP and your $700+ 4k monitor (like the LG panel) on a $10 cable ... uh, have fun with that. I hope it works out for you.
    - NEDM64 10y ago
      what's your problem? it works, end of line.
      - yannovitch 10y ago
        Yes, it _should_ work, but there has been lots of stories already about fried computers because of faulty cables
- jdminhbg 10y ago
  They're selling the 3.5mm-lightning adapter for $9: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-...
jwr 10y ago
No, my argument was not about spending money. I specifically noted that I don't much care about the pricing. My point was that adapters are something that I have to think about, carry separately, and sometimes forget or lose. I don't know why people keep repeating "USB-C works with X" (replace X with whatever). It might work if I get all the dongles. For the moment, as I said, out of ~40 devices around me there are exactly ZERO that I can plug into the new machine. Also, let's not get into extremes here: I would not complain if they at least kept at least one or two USB 3 ports.
khedoros1 10y ago
> What laptop does have Ethernet, infiniband, USB-A/B/C, thunderbolt 2.0, miniDisplayPort, MiniUSB, MicroUSB, RS232, Centronics, PS/2, VGA, EGA, PCMCIA, SCSI, eSATA, S-video, etc? Yes, "every" port is ridiculous. In particular, I think most people would happily do away with anything that hasn't been in wide use in new hardware over the last decade. I like machines with a port for wired network, a port or two for wired video, an SD slot, and 3-4 USB ports in a mix of USB-A and USB-C. For a Mac, I'd argue that some Thunderbolt ports would make good sense, too. I'd rather have my laptop be a self-contained system than have my bag filled with the half-dozen converter dongles that I'd need to provide the connectivity that I use with my current machine.
- vladimir-y 10y ago
  Thunderbolt 3 is aimed to replace all currently existing ports, even a charging port, and that's great.
  - khedoros1 10y ago
    When my current machine dies, hopefully >5 years from now, I'll have the opportunity to evaluate new machines based on my current needs and where the market's at then. The company that gets my money will be the one that matches closest to what I want, not necessarily what's being marketed as the Next Big Thing at that time. Between now and then, Thunderbolt will either become dominant, or fall by the wayside like Firewire did.
    - vladimir-y 10y ago
      > or fall by the wayside like Firewire did. There are reasons for this no happening. TB3 is compatible with USB Type-C port format, it has a very high bandwidth and it's supported by Intel.
      - khedoros1 10y ago
        Meh. It'll happen, or it won't. The market's volatile and fickle.

by NEDM64 10y ago

rosser 10y ago

"$10 in adapters"? This is Apple we're talking about. The only thing they've ever sold at a $10 price point is the MagSafe 1 to MagSafe 2 adapter. And, frankly, even that was overpriced.

NEDM64 10y ago
Good thing is that you don't have to buy from Apple with UsB-C. Meanwhile, all those craptastic laptops that are "better than the MacBook Pro", you'll have to buy a specific adapter from the OEM.
- rosser 10y ago
  If you want to try to run, e.g., graphics and power between your $2000+ MBP and your $700+ 4k monitor (like the LG panel) on a $10 cable ... uh, have fun with that. I hope it works out for you.
  - NEDM64 10y ago
    what's your problem? it works, end of line.
    - yannovitch 10y ago
      Yes, it _should_ work, but there has been lots of stories already about fried computers because of faulty cables
jdminhbg 10y ago
They're selling the 3.5mm-lightning adapter for $9: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-...

jwr 10y ago

No, my argument was not about spending money. I specifically noted that I don't much care about the pricing. My point was that adapters are something that I have to think about, carry separately, and sometimes forget or lose. I don't know why people keep repeating "USB-C works with X" (replace X with whatever). It might work if I get all the dongles. For the moment, as I said, out of ~40 devices around me there are exactly ZERO that I can plug into the new machine. Also, let's not get into extremes here: I would not complain if they at least kept at least one or two USB 3 ports.

khedoros1 10y ago

> What laptop does have Ethernet, infiniband, USB-A/B/C, thunderbolt 2.0, miniDisplayPort, MiniUSB, MicroUSB, RS232, Centronics, PS/2, VGA, EGA, PCMCIA, SCSI, eSATA, S-video, etc? Yes, "every" port is ridiculous. In particular, I think most people would happily do away with anything that hasn't been in wide use in new hardware over the last decade. I like machines with a port for wired network, a port or two for wired video, an SD slot, and 3-4 USB ports in a mix of USB-A and USB-C. For a Mac, I'd argue that some Thunderbolt ports would make good sense, too. I'd rather have my laptop be a self-contained system than have my bag filled with the half-dozen converter dongles that I'd need to provide the connectivity that I use with my current machine.

vladimir-y 10y ago
Thunderbolt 3 is aimed to replace all currently existing ports, even a charging port, and that's great.
- khedoros1 10y ago
  When my current machine dies, hopefully >5 years from now, I'll have the opportunity to evaluate new machines based on my current needs and where the market's at then. The company that gets my money will be the one that matches closest to what I want, not necessarily what's being marketed as the Next Big Thing at that time. Between now and then, Thunderbolt will either become dominant, or fall by the wayside like Firewire did.
  - vladimir-y 10y ago
    > or fall by the wayside like Firewire did. There are reasons for this no happening. TB3 is compatible with USB Type-C port format, it has a very high bandwidth and it's supported by Intel.
    - khedoros1 10y ago
      Meh. It'll happen, or it won't. The market's volatile and fickle.