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The 15inch MBP has i7 Quad Core processor, Radeon graphics and double the RAM than the default 13inch models. This is not a minor jump in performance. I agree

by girfan 10y ago

The 15inch MBP has i7 Quad Core processor, Radeon graphics and double the RAM than the default 13inch models. This is not a minor jump in performance. I agree that they do sometimes prioritize size, thickness and beauty over performance but I don't see what else could go into the 15inch MBP that it currently lacks?

timerickson 10y ago
It will be interesting to benchmark the new Razer laptops against these new MacBook Pros. On paper the Razer will seemingly far outperform the MBP, at the same size, at actually cheaper cost. That being said, I'll wait for benchmarks to draw final conclusions.
- santaclaus 10y ago
  I wish Razer would ditch the souped up Honda Civic vibe, the internals on the machines look cool. That green logo is terrible.
  - sotojuan 10y ago
    That's like asking Apple to stop making minimalist aluminum laptops—the gaudy lights and green logo are part of the experience.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
    - eropple 10y ago
      The logo is a nontrivial part of why I don't buy Razer gear. I would feel dumb bringing that into a client's office.
dbg31415 10y ago
Right, but the point is the specs really haven't changed since 2013... it's a very minor upgrade over the 3 year-old laptops. Would be curious to see what the benchmarks come back as, but I'd guess no more than a 10% improvement for common activities at most. MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013) Model Name: MacBook Pro Model Identifier: MacBookPro11,3 Processor Name: Intel Core i7 Processor Speed: 2.3 GHz Number of Processors: 1 Total Number of Cores: 4 L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB L3 Cache: 6 MB Memory: 16 GB
- brigade 10y ago
  Which CPU exactly were you hoping for instead of i7-6920HQ?
- lukeholder 10y ago
  Totally new CPU architecture lookup skylake vs the older haswell.
timv 10y ago
An escape key. (Sorry, it was too easy)
hiram112 10y ago
2 more ram slots.
sotojuan 10y ago
The new Macbooks are so close to being great it's annoying. The specs are fine by me and I'm neutral on the Touch Bar, but the price and lack of ports just makes them not worth it. While I'm glad Apple is trying to move the industry to use USB-C for everything, it wouldn't had killed them to include some USB 3.0 ports and an HDMI port. It's going to be at least 3-5 years until the industry uses USB-C and by that point a new series of Macbook Pro will have been released. This applies to the non-Touch Bar Macbook as well. Price and specs are fine, but why does it only have two USB-C ports?
- curun1r 10y ago
  The lack of USB 3.0 ports I can understand. USB-C is the successor and, while still common, those older USB ports are legacy technology now. But HDMI is still current tech. The latest TVs still all use HDMI and requiring a special cable to hook up my laptop to a TV is a non-starter since the typical use case is hooking up my laptop to a friend's TV using the cable that's already plugged into their TV. It feels like the removal of the HDMI port is an attempt to get people to buy an AppleTV. On this "pro" model of laptop, they don't want people connecting it to a TV. But, at least for me, this doesn't cover my use case.
- jacobolus 10y ago
  > it wouldn't had killed them to include some USB 3.0 ports and an HDMI port. Magsafe, USB Type A, HDMI, and Mini DisplayPort / Thunderbolt 1/2 are all literally too wide to fit within the width of the new laptop’s sides. They would have needed to make the whole laptop noticeably thicker or otherwise differently shaped to fit any of those. The headphone jack barely fits.
  - pritambaral 10y ago
    > They would have needed to make the whole laptop noticeably thicker Or, they could have just stayed at the level of thickness Macbook Pros already had.
  - phire 10y ago
    My current laptop is thinner than the new 13" Macbook Pro (bearly, by just 0.5mm). Way thinner than the 15" Macbook Pro. Yet it has full sized USB 3.0 ports, a USB-C port, SD slot and an HDMI port. The only reason those ports don't fit on the new MacBooks, is because the bottom curves up near the edges.
ubernostrum 10y ago
What you're seeing is people who never really liked Apple or its products, but ended up using them anyway because they were clear best-in-class products, and who consistently posted rants and conspiracy theories about Apple and threatened to jump ship at the earliest possible opportunity. And now they have what they see as an opportunity to exit while doing the most damage to a company they hate, by portraying the current hardware lineup as fatally flawed in all sorts of ways. Time will tell whether an extremely loud but mostly not-rationally-arguing crowd can really have an impact.
- zaphar 10y ago
  When people who use your products because they are best in class stop using them the clear message is they no longer think they are best in class. Being a fan and using Apple sends very little signal regarding their quality. Being agnostic and using Apple sends a larger signal. Right now the signal seems to be that Apple is no longer making professional class hardware. Fans and status symbol seekers will still want them. People who need to get work done will slowly stop wanting them.
  - ubernostrum 10y ago
    I really do think we're seeing a lot of people who either A) despite furiously posting about how they're "done with Apple" and this was "the last straw", etc. (and doing this at literally every product refresh) are still going to buy iPhones and Macbook laptops, or B) mostly only used a Mac because it was issued to them at work and now are going to demand something different because they think they can make a case against Apple.
    - zaphar 10y ago
      I think A is probably true. But I think you may be wrong on the B. Very few companies that I'm aware of forces someone to use a Mac. If you use one it's because you asked for it. If you stop asking for it you'll get something else.
zamalek 10y ago
> Radeon graphics That's like saying car has combustion engine. > I don't see what else could go into the 15inch MBP that it currently lacks? * Razer Blade[1]: 0.70", 4.30lbs. VR-ready performance. i7, DDR4, PCIe SSD, GTX1060. Starts at $1800. * Gigabye Aero[2]: 0.78", 4.16lbs. VR-ready performance. i7, DDR4, PCIe SSD, GTX1060. Starts at $1500. MBP is fine if you don't need performance. It straddles the line between netbook and laptop - which is probably why it does so well. Most people don't need more. However, Apple does not service the market that needs more in any way whatsoever. They probably never will: regardless of where the cost of Apple products comes from, they cannot compete with the bang-for-buck of the above examples (neither support Linux very well). [1]: http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade [2]: http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=6135 http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=613...

by girfan 10y ago

timerickson 10y ago

It will be interesting to benchmark the new Razer laptops against these new MacBook Pros. On paper the Razer will seemingly far outperform the MBP, at the same size, at actually cheaper cost. That being said, I'll wait for benchmarks to draw final conclusions.

santaclaus 10y ago
I wish Razer would ditch the souped up Honda Civic vibe, the internals on the machines look cool. That green logo is terrible.
- sotojuan 10y ago
  That's like asking Apple to stop making minimalist aluminum laptops—the gaudy lights and green logo are part of the experience.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - eropple 10y ago
    The logo is a nontrivial part of why I don't buy Razer gear. I would feel dumb bringing that into a client's office.

dbg31415 10y ago

Right, but the point is the specs really haven't changed since 2013... it's a very minor upgrade over the 3 year-old laptops. Would be curious to see what the benchmarks come back as, but I'd guess no more than a 10% improvement for common activities at most. MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013) Model Name: MacBook Pro Model Identifier: MacBookPro11,3 Processor Name: Intel Core i7 Processor Speed: 2.3 GHz Number of Processors: 1 Total Number of Cores: 4 L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB L3 Cache: 6 MB Memory: 16 GB

brigade 10y ago
Which CPU exactly were you hoping for instead of i7-6920HQ?
lukeholder 10y ago
Totally new CPU architecture lookup skylake vs the older haswell.

timv 10y ago

An escape key. (Sorry, it was too easy)

hiram112 10y ago

2 more ram slots.

sotojuan 10y ago

The new Macbooks are so close to being great it's annoying. The specs are fine by me and I'm neutral on the Touch Bar, but the price and lack of ports just makes them not worth it. While I'm glad Apple is trying to move the industry to use USB-C for everything, it wouldn't had killed them to include some USB 3.0 ports and an HDMI port. It's going to be at least 3-5 years until the industry uses USB-C and by that point a new series of Macbook Pro will have been released. This applies to the non-Touch Bar Macbook as well. Price and specs are fine, but why does it only have two USB-C ports?

curun1r 10y ago
The lack of USB 3.0 ports I can understand. USB-C is the successor and, while still common, those older USB ports are legacy technology now. But HDMI is still current tech. The latest TVs still all use HDMI and requiring a special cable to hook up my laptop to a TV is a non-starter since the typical use case is hooking up my laptop to a friend's TV using the cable that's already plugged into their TV. It feels like the removal of the HDMI port is an attempt to get people to buy an AppleTV. On this "pro" model of laptop, they don't want people connecting it to a TV. But, at least for me, this doesn't cover my use case.
jacobolus 10y ago
> it wouldn't had killed them to include some USB 3.0 ports and an HDMI port. Magsafe, USB Type A, HDMI, and Mini DisplayPort / Thunderbolt 1/2 are all literally too wide to fit within the width of the new laptop’s sides. They would have needed to make the whole laptop noticeably thicker or otherwise differently shaped to fit any of those. The headphone jack barely fits.
- pritambaral 10y ago
  > They would have needed to make the whole laptop noticeably thicker Or, they could have just stayed at the level of thickness Macbook Pros already had.
- phire 10y ago
  My current laptop is thinner than the new 13" Macbook Pro (bearly, by just 0.5mm). Way thinner than the 15" Macbook Pro. Yet it has full sized USB 3.0 ports, a USB-C port, SD slot and an HDMI port. The only reason those ports don't fit on the new MacBooks, is because the bottom curves up near the edges.

ubernostrum 10y ago

What you're seeing is people who never really liked Apple or its products, but ended up using them anyway because they were clear best-in-class products, and who consistently posted rants and conspiracy theories about Apple and threatened to jump ship at the earliest possible opportunity. And now they have what they see as an opportunity to exit while doing the most damage to a company they hate, by portraying the current hardware lineup as fatally flawed in all sorts of ways. Time will tell whether an extremely loud but mostly not-rationally-arguing crowd can really have an impact.

zaphar 10y ago
When people who use your products because they are best in class stop using them the clear message is they no longer think they are best in class. Being a fan and using Apple sends very little signal regarding their quality. Being agnostic and using Apple sends a larger signal. Right now the signal seems to be that Apple is no longer making professional class hardware. Fans and status symbol seekers will still want them. People who need to get work done will slowly stop wanting them.
- ubernostrum 10y ago
  I really do think we're seeing a lot of people who either A) despite furiously posting about how they're "done with Apple" and this was "the last straw", etc. (and doing this at literally every product refresh) are still going to buy iPhones and Macbook laptops, or B) mostly only used a Mac because it was issued to them at work and now are going to demand something different because they think they can make a case against Apple.
  - zaphar 10y ago
    I think A is probably true. But I think you may be wrong on the B. Very few companies that I'm aware of forces someone to use a Mac. If you use one it's because you asked for it. If you stop asking for it you'll get something else.

zamalek 10y ago

> Radeon graphics That's like saying car has combustion engine. > I don't see what else could go into the 15inch MBP that it currently lacks? * Razer Blade[1]: 0.70", 4.30lbs. VR-ready performance. i7, DDR4, PCIe SSD, GTX1060. Starts at $1800. * Gigabye Aero[2]: 0.78", 4.16lbs. VR-ready performance. i7, DDR4, PCIe SSD, GTX1060. Starts at $1500. MBP is fine if you don't need performance. It straddles the line between netbook and laptop - which is probably why it does so well. Most people don't need more. However, Apple does not service the market that needs more in any way whatsoever. They probably never will: regardless of where the cost of Apple products comes from, they cannot compete with the bang-for-buck of the above examples (neither support Linux very well). [1]: http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade [2]: http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=6135 http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=613...