7 ms·

No natural light is pretty much illegal in most civilized countries. This is why office buildings in most of Western Europe aren't as massive and square as in

No natural light is pretty much illegal in most civilized countries. This is why office buildings in most of Western Europe aren't as massive and square as in countries like the US.

cylinder 10y ago
Don't expect that in the US anytime soon as we haven't even mandated annual leave yet. I really think natural light should be required for all. I went to a high school in Texas literally modeled after a prison. No windows, no natural light anywhere in the entire building. Built in 1979. What is wrong with these people? I took my SATs at a high school classroom with a huge windows looking out to a forest setting... It was incredible
- Declanomous 10y ago
  I struggled with fatigue for most of my sophomore year of high school. I started falling asleep in class out of nowhere. Then, as suddenly as I started falling asleep in class, I stopped.Looking back, I realized that I had been going days and weeks without seeing the sun. None of my classes had windows, nor did the lunchroom or the gyms. I had been getting to school early for clubs and leaving late because of sports. I was arriving at school before sunrise and leaving after sunset once the days got short enough. Speaking of forests -- I think schools are overly concerned with controlling the environment kids learn in. I personally think that letting the mind wander for short periods helps your mental stamina recover.
  - ashark 10y ago
    I developed more-than-moderate SAD in high school that took years to get over. They really need to stop making high school kids get up so damn early, and adjust the school year so kids are off more in the worst of the Winter (like, most of it, ideally)
  - Swizec 10y ago
    > I was arriving at school before sunrise and leaving after sunset once the days got short enough. Is it possible that you were really really tired? That schedule sounds insane to me. Unless you're very high north, I guess.
    - Symbiote 10y ago
      It could make sense for Alaska. It could also work for much of Europe, but we probably wouldn't use the word "sophomore", and I've never seen or heard of a school with no windows. I doubt it is allowed. (For example, the UK requirements for a school building state "giving priority to daylight in all teaching spaces, circulation, staff offices and social areas" and "providing adequate views to the outside or into the distance to ensure visual comfort and help avoid eye strain" [1]) [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/standards-for-school-premises https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/standards-for-sch...
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
    - aetherson 10y ago
      The shortest day in San Francisco is 9.5 hours. The shortest day in Chicago is slightly north of 9 hours. The shortest day in London is less than 8 hours. That's not an insane schedule. It's a bit longer than regular day, unless you're in London or north.
  - tobych 10y ago
    Ouch. Plenty of jolly and upbeat advice here for teachers on decorating their "Windowless Classroom", which is apparently a thing. OMG. http://www.weareteachers.com/blogs/post/2015/08/25/best-of-teacher-helpline!-how-to-survive-a-windowless-classroom http://www.weareteachers.com/blogs/post/2015/08/25/best-of-t...

No natural light is pretty much illegal in most civilized countries. This is why office buildings in most of Western Europe aren't as massive and square as in countries like the US.

cylinder 10y ago

Don't expect that in the US anytime soon as we haven't even mandated annual leave yet. I really think natural light should be required for all. I went to a high school in Texas literally modeled after a prison. No windows, no natural light anywhere in the entire building. Built in 1979. What is wrong with these people? I took my SATs at a high school classroom with a huge windows looking out to a forest setting... It was incredible

Declanomous 10y ago
I struggled with fatigue for most of my sophomore year of high school. I started falling asleep in class out of nowhere. Then, as suddenly as I started falling asleep in class, I stopped.Looking back, I realized that I had been going days and weeks without seeing the sun. None of my classes had windows, nor did the lunchroom or the gyms. I had been getting to school early for clubs and leaving late because of sports. I was arriving at school before sunrise and leaving after sunset once the days got short enough. Speaking of forests -- I think schools are overly concerned with controlling the environment kids learn in. I personally think that letting the mind wander for short periods helps your mental stamina recover.
- ashark 10y ago
  I developed more-than-moderate SAD in high school that took years to get over. They really need to stop making high school kids get up so damn early, and adjust the school year so kids are off more in the worst of the Winter (like, most of it, ideally)
- Swizec 10y ago
  > I was arriving at school before sunrise and leaving after sunset once the days got short enough. Is it possible that you were really really tired? That schedule sounds insane to me. Unless you're very high north, I guess.
  - Symbiote 10y ago
    It could make sense for Alaska. It could also work for much of Europe, but we probably wouldn't use the word "sophomore", and I've never seen or heard of a school with no windows. I doubt it is allowed. (For example, the UK requirements for a school building state "giving priority to daylight in all teaching spaces, circulation, staff offices and social areas" and "providing adequate views to the outside or into the distance to ensure visual comfort and help avoid eye strain" [1]) [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/standards-for-school-premises https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/standards-for-sch...
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - aetherson 10y ago
    The shortest day in San Francisco is 9.5 hours. The shortest day in Chicago is slightly north of 9 hours. The shortest day in London is less than 8 hours. That's not an insane schedule. It's a bit longer than regular day, unless you're in London or north.
- tobych 10y ago
  Ouch. Plenty of jolly and upbeat advice here for teachers on decorating their "Windowless Classroom", which is apparently a thing. OMG. http://www.weareteachers.com/blogs/post/2015/08/25/best-of-teacher-helpline!-how-to-survive-a-windowless-classroom http://www.weareteachers.com/blogs/post/2015/08/25/best-of-t...