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If I get a check for X and my cardiologist gets a check for X as well why would anyone put in the work to become a cardiologist? For his love of mankind? For so

by grb423 10y ago

If I get a check for X and my cardiologist gets a check for X as well why would anyone put in the work to become a cardiologist? For his love of mankind? For social status? Serious question. Didn't the 20th-century Marxists try this?

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
You get a check for X. The cardiologist gets a check for X, and also gets the income from working as a cardiologist. He/she then pays taxes on that income, which leaves him/her on net probably at least somewhat worse off than today, but still better off than you, who only get a check for X. It's that "better off" part that motivates the cardiologist.
- grb423 10y ago
  Do you think he would vote for that? Or, like similar systems in the last century, would some, let's say state encouragement, be required?
  - aninhumer 10y ago
    No he wouldn't vote for that, but what does that have to do with your original question? And I feel like you're being very disingenuous by implying that him not getting what he voted for is equivalent to communism.
    - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
      It isn't the original question, but I thought it was a legitimate one. The cardiologists and their like can be outvoted. That's how it goes in a democracy. But the number of people who lose on net may be greater than the number of people who win on net. So the only way it gets implemented may be through... let's say "undemocratic" means. Note well: I'm not advocating this. I'm just pointing out that this may be the way the politics works out.
      - aninhumer 10y ago
        Sure, I can imagine the points grb423 may have been implying, but by presenting them as a series of vague rhetorical questions it makes it hard to respond directly.
undersuit 10y ago
Because there is a good chance that X is going to be less than what either you or the cardiologist already make, but it may be more than what a janitor does make. So the cardiologist and you keep working, and the janitor has an incentive to quit performing a mindless job... and maybe become a cardiologist.

by grb423 10y ago

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

You get a check for X. The cardiologist gets a check for X, and also gets the income from working as a cardiologist. He/she then pays taxes on that income, which leaves him/her on net probably at least somewhat worse off than today, but still better off than you, who only get a check for X. It's that "better off" part that motivates the cardiologist.

grb423 10y ago
Do you think he would vote for that? Or, like similar systems in the last century, would some, let's say state encouragement, be required?
- aninhumer 10y ago
  No he wouldn't vote for that, but what does that have to do with your original question? And I feel like you're being very disingenuous by implying that him not getting what he voted for is equivalent to communism.
  - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
    It isn't the original question, but I thought it was a legitimate one. The cardiologists and their like can be outvoted. That's how it goes in a democracy. But the number of people who lose on net may be greater than the number of people who win on net. So the only way it gets implemented may be through... let's say "undemocratic" means. Note well: I'm not advocating this. I'm just pointing out that this may be the way the politics works out.
    - aninhumer 10y ago
      Sure, I can imagine the points grb423 may have been implying, but by presenting them as a series of vague rhetorical questions it makes it hard to respond directly.

undersuit 10y ago

Because there is a good chance that X is going to be less than what either you or the cardiologist already make, but it may be more than what a janitor does make. So the cardiologist and you keep working, and the janitor has an incentive to quit performing a mindless job... and maybe become a cardiologist.