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Although it is more powerful and supports 4K gaming and streaming, it cannot play 4K Blu-Rays: https://twitter.com/thisisFoxx/status/773617609547849728 https://

Although it is more powerful and supports 4K gaming and streaming, it cannot play 4K Blu-Rays: https://twitter.com/thisisFoxx/status/773617609547849728 https://twitter.com/thisisFoxx/status/773617609547849728

mightykan 10y ago
So what's the point of getting one of these instead of the Xbone S, which _does_ have UHD Blu-ray support?
- ethanbond 10y ago
  Well, the One S doesn't support 4K video games (thus why I'm waiting for Scorpio)
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Project Scorpio will, the PS4 Pro won't support 4K gaming either, even a GTX 1080 won't do 4K @ 60 well with modern titles. The PS4 Pro will be a 1080p @ 60 console but nothing more regardless of how they are marketing it, the GPU it has is between the RX460 and the 470 in terms of performance and while they can push for 1080p @ 60 on medium/high settings* on most modern titles they can't run anything at 4K at playable framerates, not even "console experience" frame rates. *New upscaling techniques like UbiSoft's Checkerboard Rendering with decent Temporal AA/EQAA will be able to upscale some games with minimal image quality loss. UbiSoft renders Rainbow Six: Siege at 960x1080 and upscales it to 1080p.
    - pandaman 10y ago
      You realize they have shown playable 4k games at the announcement?
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        And the Xbox One and PS4 have been shown playing games at 1080 during their launch events so what? The amount of games that are doing 1080p on either console is slim, they render often at sub 900p (especially on the Xbox One) resolutions with FPS locks to 30. When the Xbox Scorpio was announced which is still more powerful than the PS4 Pro most developers said they'll use the extra power to run the games at 1080p with higher settings than aim at 4K gaming. They will end up doing upscaling of some sort, they have gotten pretty good at it but true 4K pffttt dream on.
        pandaman 10y ago
        I agree that Xbox one doesn't have many 1080p games however how does it follow that ps4 does not? Except for few games like AC, which decided to keep parity, pretty much all ps4 games are 1080p.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        Yes, DigitalFoundry (they aren't 100% correct all the time, especially when developers introduce a new technique for example when Ubisoft revealed that they are rendering at 960x1080 and upscaling but to their defense the upscale was so good that even their tools did not notice it) and a few other websites constantly do actual frame by frame analysis, many games on the PS4 run at 900p especially the competitive titles that need a lock to 60. Beyond that letterboxing and resolution scaling is still common, while the PS4 doesn't drop to 720p like the XboxOne does it does do a lot of 900p titles or 30fps locked titles (which on many it can still fail to live upto the 30fps lock). Even some exclusive titles which usually run on 1080p on their respective console to not do 1080p on the PS4 KillZone and Uncharted 4 both run at 900p. But overall it doesn't matter the 720p + TAA & Vsync on the XboxOne a lot of times produces better frame times than the 800-900p PS4 versions, some of the COD games and Titanfall were pretty good examples of that where the PS4 running at 1080p or close to it had major issues with frame timing. What I would suggest is that if you care for 4K gaming buy a PC, consoles aren't going to get there, even the new Titan X can drop below 60fps on 4K on some titles ;) Overall I wonder more about the CPU upgrades than the GPU, both the XboxOne and the PS4 have started to hit the CPU bottleneck hard fairly quickly and games which are CPU intensive like open world games, racing games and sim suffered.
      - ralusek 10y ago
        They said that the 4k is achieved via upscaling. There's basically interpolation on 1080p with the additional pixels to create a nice visual. So it helps with aliasing issues and gives a crisp look, but neither console is capable of actually rendering in 4k.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Scorpio is also more powerful, however it looks like they are trying to pull an Xbox 360 on microsoft and launch something good enough but earlier. Neither Scorpio nor PS4 pro would actually do 4K gaming, they will however most likely will have no issues of doing true 1080p gaming at 60fps which is considerably better than either of the consoles can pull off as well as maybe a few 1st party / indie titles at 4K. I don't actually think the UHD BluRay is going to be an issue, BluRay sales aren't exactly have been great in general and considering that UHD BluRay movies tend to cost about double I don't see the sales being that great. Streaming 4K however should be considerably more important as Netflix and the likes are getting more and more UHD content you would want your console to be able to catch up.
- sigi45 10y ago
  XBox is not able to produce proper / high quality Sound. Using the XBox as a BluRay Player is not a good idea anyway.
- coverband 10y ago
  PlayStation VR?
mcphage 10y ago
Is that a software restriction or a hardware restriction?
- mightykan 10y ago
  Seems to be a hardware restriction. According to the PS4 Pro: The Ultimate FAQ[1]: "No, PS4 Pro’s internal Blu-ray drive does not support the new Ultra 4K Blu-ray Disc format." So, no future firmware update can fix this. [1]: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultimate-faq/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultima...
  - mcphage 10y ago
    That's disappointing :-(
limeyx 10y ago
Yup. Canceled my pre-order when I saw this and got a $60 regular DVD player for now

mightykan 10y ago

So what's the point of getting one of these instead of the Xbone S, which _does_ have UHD Blu-ray support?

ethanbond 10y ago
Well, the One S doesn't support 4K video games (thus why I'm waiting for Scorpio)
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Project Scorpio will, the PS4 Pro won't support 4K gaming either, even a GTX 1080 won't do 4K @ 60 well with modern titles. The PS4 Pro will be a 1080p @ 60 console but nothing more regardless of how they are marketing it, the GPU it has is between the RX460 and the 470 in terms of performance and while they can push for 1080p @ 60 on medium/high settings* on most modern titles they can't run anything at 4K at playable framerates, not even "console experience" frame rates. *New upscaling techniques like UbiSoft's Checkerboard Rendering with decent Temporal AA/EQAA will be able to upscale some games with minimal image quality loss. UbiSoft renders Rainbow Six: Siege at 960x1080 and upscales it to 1080p.
  - pandaman 10y ago
    You realize they have shown playable 4k games at the announcement?
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      And the Xbox One and PS4 have been shown playing games at 1080 during their launch events so what? The amount of games that are doing 1080p on either console is slim, they render often at sub 900p (especially on the Xbox One) resolutions with FPS locks to 30. When the Xbox Scorpio was announced which is still more powerful than the PS4 Pro most developers said they'll use the extra power to run the games at 1080p with higher settings than aim at 4K gaming. They will end up doing upscaling of some sort, they have gotten pretty good at it but true 4K pffttt dream on.
      - pandaman 10y ago
        I agree that Xbox one doesn't have many 1080p games however how does it follow that ps4 does not? Except for few games like AC, which decided to keep parity, pretty much all ps4 games are 1080p.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        Yes, DigitalFoundry (they aren't 100% correct all the time, especially when developers introduce a new technique for example when Ubisoft revealed that they are rendering at 960x1080 and upscaling but to their defense the upscale was so good that even their tools did not notice it) and a few other websites constantly do actual frame by frame analysis, many games on the PS4 run at 900p especially the competitive titles that need a lock to 60. Beyond that letterboxing and resolution scaling is still common, while the PS4 doesn't drop to 720p like the XboxOne does it does do a lot of 900p titles or 30fps locked titles (which on many it can still fail to live upto the 30fps lock). Even some exclusive titles which usually run on 1080p on their respective console to not do 1080p on the PS4 KillZone and Uncharted 4 both run at 900p. But overall it doesn't matter the 720p + TAA & Vsync on the XboxOne a lot of times produces better frame times than the 800-900p PS4 versions, some of the COD games and Titanfall were pretty good examples of that where the PS4 running at 1080p or close to it had major issues with frame timing. What I would suggest is that if you care for 4K gaming buy a PC, consoles aren't going to get there, even the new Titan X can drop below 60fps on 4K on some titles ;) Overall I wonder more about the CPU upgrades than the GPU, both the XboxOne and the PS4 have started to hit the CPU bottleneck hard fairly quickly and games which are CPU intensive like open world games, racing games and sim suffered.
    - ralusek 10y ago
      They said that the 4k is achieved via upscaling. There's basically interpolation on 1080p with the additional pixels to create a nice visual. So it helps with aliasing issues and gives a crisp look, but neither console is capable of actually rendering in 4k.
dogma1138 10y ago
Scorpio is also more powerful, however it looks like they are trying to pull an Xbox 360 on microsoft and launch something good enough but earlier. Neither Scorpio nor PS4 pro would actually do 4K gaming, they will however most likely will have no issues of doing true 1080p gaming at 60fps which is considerably better than either of the consoles can pull off as well as maybe a few 1st party / indie titles at 4K. I don't actually think the UHD BluRay is going to be an issue, BluRay sales aren't exactly have been great in general and considering that UHD BluRay movies tend to cost about double I don't see the sales being that great. Streaming 4K however should be considerably more important as Netflix and the likes are getting more and more UHD content you would want your console to be able to catch up.
sigi45 10y ago
XBox is not able to produce proper / high quality Sound. Using the XBox as a BluRay Player is not a good idea anyway.
coverband 10y ago
PlayStation VR?

mcphage 10y ago

Is that a software restriction or a hardware restriction?

mightykan 10y ago
Seems to be a hardware restriction. According to the PS4 Pro: The Ultimate FAQ[1]: "No, PS4 Pro’s internal Blu-ray drive does not support the new Ultra 4K Blu-ray Disc format." So, no future firmware update can fix this. [1]: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultimate-faq/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-the-ultima...
- mcphage 10y ago
  That's disappointing :-(

limeyx 10y ago

Yup. Canceled my pre-order when I saw this and got a $60 regular DVD player for now