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New Update: "To those worrying about us--we're fine, and will issue a suitable riposte shortly." http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10993931099 http://twitter

New Update: "To those worrying about us--we're fine, and will issue a suitable riposte shortly." http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10993931099 http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10993931099

djcapelis 16y ago
Yeah but can we even trust that? I mean probably, but if we're really talking about the wikileaks team being detained for serious business, can we realy trust that no one went and logged onto their twitter account to tell people that these weren't the droids they were looking for? I'm going to assume they're likely fine, but a post on Twitter hardly provides complete assurance of that. Unfortunately I'm not sure there's really a provable way to deal with this problem that wouldn't compromise too much information.
- adrianwaj 16y ago
  The Terminator: [to John] What's the dog's name? John Connor: Max. The Terminator: [impersonating John's voice] Hey Janelle, what's wrong with Wolfie? I can hear him barking. T-1000 impersonating Janelle: Wolfie's fine, honey, Wolfie's just fine. Where are you? The Terminator: [hangs up the phone] Your foster parents are dead. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/quotes?qt0416763 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/quotes?qt0416763
imajes 16y ago
i have a second source who validates that they're ok, just busy looking for bandwidth in a politically neutral state/jurisdiction. If anyone knows anyone who has that, pls let me know & i'll pass it on....
- jonknee 16y ago
  Isn't this a great use case for torrents?
  - dhotson 16y ago
    Would you be willing to host the torrent file? It sounds like there'd be some risk involved..
    - jonknee 16y ago
      Trackerless torrent files combined with hosts like Rapidshare, Zshare, Megaupload, etc should do the trick. Once it starts to spread it's unstoppable. Or host it in a country that likes to irritate the US government. Iran comes to mind. Venezuela would surely be open to it as well. If Osama Bin Laden can find hosting there is no reason why a group of clever engineers can't as well.
      - waterlesscloud 16y ago
        Or just put it up anywhere, tell people where it is, and it'll be everywhere in a matter of hours. This is the internet, after all.
      - fnid2 16y ago
        Panama and Hong Kong have several ISPs that are outside U.S. influence. You never know really. Use Tor to upload it to Youtube. See if Google helps out.
        olefoo 16y ago
        Panama outside of US influence? We invaded them not that long ago, the current political leadership there were participants in the events leading up to and following Operation Just Cause. I rather doubt that much of import happens in Panama without tacit approval of US authorities.
      - scrollinondubs 16y ago
        If the wikileaks guys are smart enough to have made it this far you can bet they've already set up a "dead man switch" torrent file somewhere that will self-tweet and self-publish the video x days from now if they fail to check in. PR stunts aren't their style- this smells like either a disinformation campaign to discredit them or a smoke screen for something else. Fortunately there's enough intelligent, vocal people watching this ordeal at this point that it can't be swept under a rug if they disappear. good luck fellas- you're leading an important charge right now.
- jackowayed 16y ago
  If this is really proof of some Giant Conspiracy that's super-newsworthy, couldn't they just send it to the NYT or the like and let them publish it? The 1st amendment is pretty close to absolute, and this sounds more like a military conspiracy than national security.
  - rdtsc 16y ago
    I believe NYT will stay away from such articles. What would happen is, they will call CIA first to verify the authenticity. Then CIA will threaten them and will claim this is 'classified' and if they don't immediately turn it over, heads will roll, hard drives will be shredded, offices will be closed for an indefinite time for investigation and so on. NYT will not touch this stuff with a ten foot pole. From a more general perspective. Large news media outlets have very close and 'cosy' relationship with the government. They treasure that relationship as that gets them quick and timely access to government related news releases. That is just news that writes itself. Whatever spews out the Department Of State goes straight to the viewers/reader. All news media outlets need to do is add advertisement on top. Being cut off from that, means spending serious time and money on investigative journalism. Flying people around the world to dangerous areas, spending months on finding good leads and researching. NYT will just not take that risk.
    - hzzn 16y ago
      This story was first broke by the New York Times: "Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts" http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html
      - rdtsc 16y ago
        This is not about spying on US callers. That was already known. This is most likely about murdering civilians in a botched air strike by CIA. CIA can and will shut a place down if they believe there is classified information there. I have heard of offices being raided and all hard drives shredded.
      - 16y ago

New Update: "To those worrying about us--we're fine, and will issue a suitable riposte shortly." http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10993931099 http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10993931099

djcapelis 16y ago

Yeah but can we even trust that? I mean probably, but if we're really talking about the wikileaks team being detained for serious business, can we realy trust that no one went and logged onto their twitter account to tell people that these weren't the droids they were looking for? I'm going to assume they're likely fine, but a post on Twitter hardly provides complete assurance of that. Unfortunately I'm not sure there's really a provable way to deal with this problem that wouldn't compromise too much information.

adrianwaj 16y ago
The Terminator: [to John] What's the dog's name? John Connor: Max. The Terminator: [impersonating John's voice] Hey Janelle, what's wrong with Wolfie? I can hear him barking. T-1000 impersonating Janelle: Wolfie's fine, honey, Wolfie's just fine. Where are you? The Terminator: [hangs up the phone] Your foster parents are dead. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/quotes?qt0416763 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/quotes?qt0416763

imajes 16y ago

i have a second source who validates that they're ok, just busy looking for bandwidth in a politically neutral state/jurisdiction. If anyone knows anyone who has that, pls let me know & i'll pass it on....

jonknee 16y ago
Isn't this a great use case for torrents?
- dhotson 16y ago
  Would you be willing to host the torrent file? It sounds like there'd be some risk involved..
  - jonknee 16y ago
    Trackerless torrent files combined with hosts like Rapidshare, Zshare, Megaupload, etc should do the trick. Once it starts to spread it's unstoppable. Or host it in a country that likes to irritate the US government. Iran comes to mind. Venezuela would surely be open to it as well. If Osama Bin Laden can find hosting there is no reason why a group of clever engineers can't as well.
    - waterlesscloud 16y ago
      Or just put it up anywhere, tell people where it is, and it'll be everywhere in a matter of hours. This is the internet, after all.
    - fnid2 16y ago
      Panama and Hong Kong have several ISPs that are outside U.S. influence. You never know really. Use Tor to upload it to Youtube. See if Google helps out.
      - olefoo 16y ago
        Panama outside of US influence? We invaded them not that long ago, the current political leadership there were participants in the events leading up to and following Operation Just Cause. I rather doubt that much of import happens in Panama without tacit approval of US authorities.
    - scrollinondubs 16y ago
      If the wikileaks guys are smart enough to have made it this far you can bet they've already set up a "dead man switch" torrent file somewhere that will self-tweet and self-publish the video x days from now if they fail to check in. PR stunts aren't their style- this smells like either a disinformation campaign to discredit them or a smoke screen for something else. Fortunately there's enough intelligent, vocal people watching this ordeal at this point that it can't be swept under a rug if they disappear. good luck fellas- you're leading an important charge right now.
jackowayed 16y ago
If this is really proof of some Giant Conspiracy that's super-newsworthy, couldn't they just send it to the NYT or the like and let them publish it? The 1st amendment is pretty close to absolute, and this sounds more like a military conspiracy than national security.
- rdtsc 16y ago
  I believe NYT will stay away from such articles. What would happen is, they will call CIA first to verify the authenticity. Then CIA will threaten them and will claim this is 'classified' and if they don't immediately turn it over, heads will roll, hard drives will be shredded, offices will be closed for an indefinite time for investigation and so on. NYT will not touch this stuff with a ten foot pole. From a more general perspective. Large news media outlets have very close and 'cosy' relationship with the government. They treasure that relationship as that gets them quick and timely access to government related news releases. That is just news that writes itself. Whatever spews out the Department Of State goes straight to the viewers/reader. All news media outlets need to do is add advertisement on top. Being cut off from that, means spending serious time and money on investigative journalism. Flying people around the world to dangerous areas, spending months on finding good leads and researching. NYT will just not take that risk.
  - hzzn 16y ago
    This story was first broke by the New York Times: "Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts" http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html
    - rdtsc 16y ago
      This is not about spying on US callers. That was already known. This is most likely about murdering civilians in a botched air strike by CIA. CIA can and will shut a place down if they believe there is classified information there. I have heard of offices being raided and all hard drives shredded.
    - 16y ago