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> If some patent troll decides H.264 violates a patent, they must go to court with MPEG LA, not individual licensees. This is not true, check your facts! From

by please 17y ago

> If some patent troll decides H.264 violates a patent, they must go to court with MPEG LA, not individual licensees. This is not true, check your facts! From http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/FAQ.aspx http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/FAQ.aspx Q: Are all AVC essential patents included? A: No assurance is or can be made that the License includes every essential patent. The purpose of the License is to offer a convenient licensing alternative to everyone on the same terms and to include as much essential intellectual property as possible for their convenience. Participation in the License is voluntary on the part of essential patent holders, however. If someone holds additional patents on H264 and is not part of the licensing pool they can sue individual licensees, they even get a nice list of parties to sue at http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx

mjhnghfh 17y ago
The patent holder can also decide not to bother MS/Apple/etc, and only prosecute open source implementations. The patent holder could be bought by MS/Apple/etc Unlike copyright there is no requirement to assiduously defend a patent.
- natrius 17y ago
  You're thinking of trademarks, not copyright.
  - mjhnghfh 17y ago
    Yes sorry, however the point remains. It's perfectly legitimate (and common) for a patent holder to sue a single strategic competitor while leaving a larger player alone. An impartial (commercial) industry body could decide to sue only FOSS implementations in order to keep the field open for their members.
    - blasdel 17y ago
      You can't sue FOSS authors for infringing patents (source code) -- you can only sue the distributors of executable implementations (binaries) The text of an ideal software patent is (or has a direct mapping to) the source code of an implementation, just as an ideal steam engine patent would be blueprints and schematics. The text of patents must always be publicly available to be enforceable -- it's the whole point, absolutely central to "the promotion of the useful arts and sciences". You license the production of artifacts, not the spread of ideas.
      - mjhnghfh 17y ago
        You could argue that the source code is an implementation. Anyway the point is rather irrelevent, you aren't going to sue anonymous contributer100. You are going to sue, or threaten to sue, companies who propose using opensource platforms for their new website rather than buying from one of your members.
      - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
        It's called contributory infringement. If I supply you with tailored parts necessary to perform/make a patented invention then that's contributory infringement. In the US Findlaw says: "Contributory infringement occurs when a party supplies a direct infringer with a part that has no substantial non-infringing use. Literal infringement exists if there is a direct correspondence between the words in the patent claims and the infringing device." http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/patent/enforce-patent/patent-litigation.html http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/patent/enforce-patent/paten...
aidenn0 17y ago
There is still some protection, though. If I were a patent troll and found some patents that might be applicable to h264, it might be a better idea to sign up with MPEG LA and get a cut of the existing pie than to go after MS or Apple for a bigger slice.

by please 17y ago

mjhnghfh 17y ago

The patent holder can also decide not to bother MS/Apple/etc, and only prosecute open source implementations. The patent holder could be bought by MS/Apple/etc Unlike copyright there is no requirement to assiduously defend a patent.

natrius 17y ago
You're thinking of trademarks, not copyright.
- mjhnghfh 17y ago
  Yes sorry, however the point remains. It's perfectly legitimate (and common) for a patent holder to sue a single strategic competitor while leaving a larger player alone. An impartial (commercial) industry body could decide to sue only FOSS implementations in order to keep the field open for their members.
  - blasdel 17y ago
    You can't sue FOSS authors for infringing patents (source code) -- you can only sue the distributors of executable implementations (binaries) The text of an ideal software patent is (or has a direct mapping to) the source code of an implementation, just as an ideal steam engine patent would be blueprints and schematics. The text of patents must always be publicly available to be enforceable -- it's the whole point, absolutely central to "the promotion of the useful arts and sciences". You license the production of artifacts, not the spread of ideas.
    - mjhnghfh 17y ago
      You could argue that the source code is an implementation. Anyway the point is rather irrelevent, you aren't going to sue anonymous contributer100. You are going to sue, or threaten to sue, companies who propose using opensource platforms for their new website rather than buying from one of your members.
    - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
      It's called contributory infringement. If I supply you with tailored parts necessary to perform/make a patented invention then that's contributory infringement. In the US Findlaw says: "Contributory infringement occurs when a party supplies a direct infringer with a part that has no substantial non-infringing use. Literal infringement exists if there is a direct correspondence between the words in the patent claims and the infringing device." http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/patent/enforce-patent/patent-litigation.html http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/patent/enforce-patent/paten...

aidenn0 17y ago

There is still some protection, though. If I were a patent troll and found some patents that might be applicable to h264, it might be a better idea to sign up with MPEG LA and get a cut of the existing pie than to go after MS or Apple for a bigger slice.