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Hi, I'm the CEO of Guideline. I think you might have fallen into the same trap I did a few years ago. All 401(k) plans are not created equally, and it's not jus

by busque 10y ago

Hi, I'm the CEO of Guideline. I think you might have fallen into the same trap I did a few years ago. All 401(k) plans are not created equally, and it's not just about the fund menu etc. Vanguard for instance, is not a fiduciary. They will not help you keep your plan in compliance, they will not educate your employees. They don't even do their own record keeping. You will need to pay for those services separately. We are making great 401(k) plans attainable for the small business while focussing on the long term success of your employees.

rsync 10y ago
So you're saying that instead of (for instance) signing up with both Principal (who has the funds) and also TRA (who ... does something) ... a firm just signs up with you and it's a one-stop shop ? What is the total fee load for your plain old S&P 500 index fund ?
- loeg 10y ago
  > What is the total fee load for your plain old S&P 500 index fund ? https://www.guideline.com/pricing https://www.guideline.com/pricing They're just Vanguard + 0.03% custodial fee. So whatever institutional version of VFIAX they can get + 0.03. Maximum 0.08% if they only get the retail investor version (0.05%), minimum 0.03%.
JediPig 10y ago
I am waiting on the hammer to fall on 401k. Here is the current situation. 401k is a horrible idea, and its a good way to funnel money from savers. After 2000 & 2008, do you really want to trust the same people who needed bailed out? Yet, 401k is using those institutions to do business with. 401k is a wolf in sheeps clothing. The next down turn, who knows, governments have been known to seize retirement funds. What happens if US Congress decides to do that to save the nation? Look whats happening in the world, it has already happened in the last year in other nations. My advice, stay out of 401k, put your money where it has intrinsic value, and not a number on a computer screen.
- harryh 10y ago
  Essentially all assets, except perhaps gold^H^H^H^H commodities in your physical posession, are numbers on a computer screen. Even land ownership is controlled by records kept by local governments.
  - blacksmith_tb 10y ago
    This is clearly true, but the scenarios in which it becomes a problem vary. In an isolated case of data loss/corruption that leaves the title to your home up in the air, there would be other sources of data to appeal to (records at lenders who had paper on the property, etc.) In more apocalyptic scenarios, even your on-hand physical assets won't be good for much (you can't eat gold).
    - harryh 10y ago
      Sure, but the person I was talking to wasn't talking about data loss. He was talking about asset seizure by the state. If they're going to seize my 401k they're just as likely to size my rental property. And ya, in apocalyptic scenarios the value of assets could swing wildly. I've seen Mad Max though. I'm not buying gold, I'm stockpiling guzzoline.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  There is no place that'll provide the returns the equities market does, except perhaps a heavily managed rental property.
  - JediPig 10y ago
    I strongly disagree. YTD http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/leaders?type=pl&cat=ytd&view=chart http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/leaders?type=pl&cat... 12 Month looks similar. Silver, Soybean, Sugar, Gold are up significantly.
    - tvanantwerp 10y ago
ryporter 10y ago
Thank you for replying. I did underestimate your company. I think it would be useful to add to your website a prominent comparison to the entrenched players. I'm probably not the only person to fail to appreciate your advantages over Vanguard, based on your current website (though perhaps I overlooked something). A convincing comparison to the quintessential low-cost provider would deliver quite a powerful message.
- busque 10y ago
  Appreciate that feedback. We are really focussed on the product and have not spent enough time on the marketing site. I'll pass on this feedback for sure!
smilingtom 10y ago
What a cunt you are

by busque 10y ago

rsync 10y ago

So you're saying that instead of (for instance) signing up with both Principal (who has the funds) and also TRA (who ... does something) ... a firm just signs up with you and it's a one-stop shop ? What is the total fee load for your plain old S&P 500 index fund ?

loeg 10y ago
> What is the total fee load for your plain old S&P 500 index fund ? https://www.guideline.com/pricing https://www.guideline.com/pricing They're just Vanguard + 0.03% custodial fee. So whatever institutional version of VFIAX they can get + 0.03. Maximum 0.08% if they only get the retail investor version (0.05%), minimum 0.03%.

JediPig 10y ago

I am waiting on the hammer to fall on 401k. Here is the current situation. 401k is a horrible idea, and its a good way to funnel money from savers. After 2000 & 2008, do you really want to trust the same people who needed bailed out? Yet, 401k is using those institutions to do business with. 401k is a wolf in sheeps clothing. The next down turn, who knows, governments have been known to seize retirement funds. What happens if US Congress decides to do that to save the nation? Look whats happening in the world, it has already happened in the last year in other nations. My advice, stay out of 401k, put your money where it has intrinsic value, and not a number on a computer screen.

harryh 10y ago
Essentially all assets, except perhaps gold^H^H^H^H commodities in your physical posession, are numbers on a computer screen. Even land ownership is controlled by records kept by local governments.
- blacksmith_tb 10y ago
  This is clearly true, but the scenarios in which it becomes a problem vary. In an isolated case of data loss/corruption that leaves the title to your home up in the air, there would be other sources of data to appeal to (records at lenders who had paper on the property, etc.) In more apocalyptic scenarios, even your on-hand physical assets won't be good for much (you can't eat gold).
  - harryh 10y ago
    Sure, but the person I was talking to wasn't talking about data loss. He was talking about asset seizure by the state. If they're going to seize my 401k they're just as likely to size my rental property. And ya, in apocalyptic scenarios the value of assets could swing wildly. I've seen Mad Max though. I'm not buying gold, I'm stockpiling guzzoline.
toomuchtodo 10y ago
There is no place that'll provide the returns the equities market does, except perhaps a heavily managed rental property.
- JediPig 10y ago
  I strongly disagree. YTD http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/leaders?type=pl&cat=ytd&view=chart http://www.barchart.com/commodityfutures/leaders?type=pl&cat... 12 Month looks similar. Silver, Soybean, Sugar, Gold are up significantly.
  - tvanantwerp 10y ago

ryporter 10y ago

Thank you for replying. I did underestimate your company. I think it would be useful to add to your website a prominent comparison to the entrenched players. I'm probably not the only person to fail to appreciate your advantages over Vanguard, based on your current website (though perhaps I overlooked something). A convincing comparison to the quintessential low-cost provider would deliver quite a powerful message.

busque 10y ago
Appreciate that feedback. We are really focussed on the product and have not spent enough time on the marketing site. I'll pass on this feedback for sure!

smilingtom 10y ago

What a cunt you are