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It would be more fair to hold a referendum in England whether it should be united with Scotland. Would be more productive for Scotland's independence.

simonswords82 10y ago
How so?
- BrutallyHonest 10y ago
  Politically whiny, want the independence but keep the £, have a lot of preferences already etc.
  - nolok 10y ago
    > Politically whiny, want the independence but keep the access to free market, have a lot of preferences already etc. So .. According to you other european countries should get a referendum about UK being in the EU
bArray 10y ago
I know of a lot of British people who do not want Scotland to be part of the UK. They get more funding per head, their own government and then complain they are unfairly treated.
- amouat 10y ago
  Unfairly treated? You mean like being dragged out of a union against our political will?
  - jwdunne 10y ago
    Personally, I think you do deserve a second referendum. The remain/leave map shows a clear border. Northumberland votes out. North of that, its all remain. The biggest thing to me is that many in the leave camp used very similar arguments against the leave camp in the Scottish indy ref. That and the EU/better together camp said Scotland wouldn't be part of the EU if they left and should therefore stay. Note: from Manchester. Voted remain. Don't see the SNP as the national threat they're portrayed to be.
    - bArray 10y ago
      "Personally, I think you do deserve a second referendum. The remain/leave map shows a clear border. Northumberland votes out. North of that, its all remain." It's tough luck. You can't threaten to quit every time things don't work out for you. "The biggest thing to me is that many in the leave camp used very similar arguments against the leave camp in the Scottish indy ref." I don't think anybody envisioned we would actually leave. "That and the EU/better together camp said Scotland wouldn't be part of the EU if they left and should therefore stay." It's not entirely clear that Scotland will be able to join the EU anyway. There's a long waiting list and large payment required. "Note: from Manchester. Voted remain. Don't see the SNP as the national threat they're portrayed to be." I also voted remain. I'm not afraid of the threat of Scotland to the rest of the UK, I'm afraid of Scotland's threat to itself.
  - bArray 10y ago
    I voted remain also, it's just tough luck. What will be interesting now is whether Scotland really has the economy to survive on their own in the EU. Other smaller Countries have not yet been successful.
- ZeroGravitas 10y ago
  Scotland and London are the only two regions that pay their own way. The rest live off subsidies from the UK and Europe. The ironies and cognitive dissonance of little Englanders never ceases. Since this is a fact, you see some very odd and contorted phrases to imply otherwise. One classic is to say that Scotland spends more than it earns. Which is entirely true, Scotland runs a deficit. What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit. But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other".
  - bArray 10y ago
    "Scotland and London are the only two regions that pay their own way. The rest live off subsidies from the UK and Europe. The ironies and cognitive dissonance of little Englanders never ceases." I assume you don't live in England, or if you do you live in one of those two areas. It's not true at all. A lot of people travel daily to larger cities to work, making them look better than they are. "What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit." It's more about them running at more of a deficit. If you don't believe me, believe the Scottish [1]. "But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other"." I'm not a leave voter, if you're trying to use that against me. [1] http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/public-spending-per-head-in-scotland-revealed-1-3197170 http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/public-spending-per-head-in-...
    - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
      Did you even read the link you hastily googled? Spoiler warning, it confirms what I said in my comment: “As official figures show, Scotland has paid more in tax per head than the rest of the UK in each of the last 30 years and we contribute a higher share of UK revenues than we receive in public spending.”
      - bArray 10y ago
        That's fair, it takes a while to get into it. I admit I was wrong. They still run a deficit though and need a financial market strong enough for people to invest in. It'll not be the walk in the park a lot of people think it may be. There will be some really hard times to come if thr decision comes to leaving the UK. I'm still not convinced it is in Scotland's interests.
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simonswords82 10y ago

How so?

BrutallyHonest 10y ago
Politically whiny, want the independence but keep the £, have a lot of preferences already etc.
- nolok 10y ago
  > Politically whiny, want the independence but keep the access to free market, have a lot of preferences already etc. So .. According to you other european countries should get a referendum about UK being in the EU

bArray 10y ago

I know of a lot of British people who do not want Scotland to be part of the UK. They get more funding per head, their own government and then complain they are unfairly treated.

amouat 10y ago
Unfairly treated? You mean like being dragged out of a union against our political will?
- jwdunne 10y ago
  Personally, I think you do deserve a second referendum. The remain/leave map shows a clear border. Northumberland votes out. North of that, its all remain. The biggest thing to me is that many in the leave camp used very similar arguments against the leave camp in the Scottish indy ref. That and the EU/better together camp said Scotland wouldn't be part of the EU if they left and should therefore stay. Note: from Manchester. Voted remain. Don't see the SNP as the national threat they're portrayed to be.
  - bArray 10y ago
    "Personally, I think you do deserve a second referendum. The remain/leave map shows a clear border. Northumberland votes out. North of that, its all remain." It's tough luck. You can't threaten to quit every time things don't work out for you. "The biggest thing to me is that many in the leave camp used very similar arguments against the leave camp in the Scottish indy ref." I don't think anybody envisioned we would actually leave. "That and the EU/better together camp said Scotland wouldn't be part of the EU if they left and should therefore stay." It's not entirely clear that Scotland will be able to join the EU anyway. There's a long waiting list and large payment required. "Note: from Manchester. Voted remain. Don't see the SNP as the national threat they're portrayed to be." I also voted remain. I'm not afraid of the threat of Scotland to the rest of the UK, I'm afraid of Scotland's threat to itself.
- bArray 10y ago
  I voted remain also, it's just tough luck. What will be interesting now is whether Scotland really has the economy to survive on their own in the EU. Other smaller Countries have not yet been successful.
ZeroGravitas 10y ago
Scotland and London are the only two regions that pay their own way. The rest live off subsidies from the UK and Europe. The ironies and cognitive dissonance of little Englanders never ceases. Since this is a fact, you see some very odd and contorted phrases to imply otherwise. One classic is to say that Scotland spends more than it earns. Which is entirely true, Scotland runs a deficit. What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit. But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other".
- bArray 10y ago
  "Scotland and London are the only two regions that pay their own way. The rest live off subsidies from the UK and Europe. The ironies and cognitive dissonance of little Englanders never ceases." I assume you don't live in England, or if you do you live in one of those two areas. It's not true at all. A lot of people travel daily to larger cities to work, making them look better than they are. "What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit." It's more about them running at more of a deficit. If you don't believe me, believe the Scottish [1]. "But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other"." I'm not a leave voter, if you're trying to use that against me. [1] http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/public-spending-per-head-in-scotland-revealed-1-3197170 http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/public-spending-per-head-in-...
  - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
    Did you even read the link you hastily googled? Spoiler warning, it confirms what I said in my comment: “As official figures show, Scotland has paid more in tax per head than the rest of the UK in each of the last 30 years and we contribute a higher share of UK revenues than we receive in public spending.”
    - bArray 10y ago
      That's fair, it takes a while to get into it. I admit I was wrong. They still run a deficit though and need a financial market strong enough for people to invest in. It'll not be the walk in the park a lot of people think it may be. There will be some really hard times to come if thr decision comes to leaving the UK. I'm still not convinced it is in Scotland's interests.

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