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Yeah but after sixty years of C, why should we trust an origanization like Mozilla? They've been thoroughly unwilling to come up with any sort of ANSI standard

Yeah but after sixty years of C, why should we trust an origanization like Mozilla? They've been thoroughly unwilling to come up with any sort of ANSI standard or anything, despite Rust being a reasonably mature language. Google sought ECMA standardization when they took on Dart. Go language has an official specification, so someone could hypothetically re-implement it if they wanted to, and remain compatible Go projects. Mozilla only wants Mozilla to be involved with Rust. They want everybody to use it in their systems, and have no input on where the language should go.

vvanders 10y ago
Really? The Rust community has been one of the most open and encouraging ones I've seen. They've also taken great pains to make sure that community feedback is solicited and incorporated.
PeCaN 10y ago
Huh? Anyone can submit an RFC: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs While Mozilla may not be the best organization, the Rust team seems much more willing to listen to their users than the Firefox team.
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Guvante 10y ago
From the little research I have done into Rust it seems unsurprising that there isn't a formal definition as any Rust standard would be similar in value to Haskell 2010. Useful but not sufficient due to the language still evolving.
kibwen 10y ago
This comment is beyond uninformed. Rust is currently working towards standardization, starting with the memory model. See http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2016/05/23/unsafe-abstractions/ http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2016/05/23/unsa... . This work is being undertaken by Niko Matsakis (a Mozilla employee, so yes, Mozilla cares about standardization) and Nicole Mazzuca (an independent volunteer, so yes, Rust takes broad input from the community). As for "they want everybody to use it in their systems, and have no input on where the language should go", you appear to be utterly clueless about how Rust is developed. Enormous swaths of the language have been designed by contributors who just showed up out of the blue and started putting in elbow grease. Iterators. Every data structure in the stdlib. Crucial, fundamental details of how the borrow checker operates. There's an entire repository for allowing anyone to propose changes to the language (a process which Mozilla employees are also forced to follow), which is a model that several other open source projects have since adopted (e.g. Swift).

vvanders 10y ago

Really? The Rust community has been one of the most open and encouraging ones I've seen. They've also taken great pains to make sure that community feedback is solicited and incorporated.

PeCaN 10y ago

Huh? Anyone can submit an RFC: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs While Mozilla may not be the best organization, the Rust team seems much more willing to listen to their users than the Firefox team.

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Guvante 10y ago

From the little research I have done into Rust it seems unsurprising that there isn't a formal definition as any Rust standard would be similar in value to Haskell 2010. Useful but not sufficient due to the language still evolving.

kibwen 10y ago

This comment is beyond uninformed. Rust is currently working towards standardization, starting with the memory model. See http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2016/05/23/unsafe-abstractions/ http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2016/05/23/unsa... . This work is being undertaken by Niko Matsakis (a Mozilla employee, so yes, Mozilla cares about standardization) and Nicole Mazzuca (an independent volunteer, so yes, Rust takes broad input from the community). As for "they want everybody to use it in their systems, and have no input on where the language should go", you appear to be utterly clueless about how Rust is developed. Enormous swaths of the language have been designed by contributors who just showed up out of the blue and started putting in elbow grease. Iterators. Every data structure in the stdlib. Crucial, fundamental details of how the borrow checker operates. There's an entire repository for allowing anyone to propose changes to the language (a process which Mozilla employees are also forced to follow), which is a model that several other open source projects have since adopted (e.g. Swift).