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Azure Container Service is now generally available

148 points by CoreySanders 10y ago

sauryadas_ 10y ago
Awesome!!
3327 10y ago
is Microsoft paying for up votes?
- anon987 10y ago
  They sure are and it's much worse on Reddit. With Microsoft's shrinking relevance to modern computing it's a given. They have billions in the bank so they might as well spend a few million on fake upvotes to give their products an illusion of popularity. When your own former CEO calls Microsoft's current cloud numbers "bullshit", they probably are.
  - learnHowItWorks 10y ago
    Maybe they actually decided to start responding to the whining and demanding of developers on sites like HN because, you know, they exist to sell shit to users and developers? Maybe they are trying to give you guys exactly what you want in the way of services and products because your way won? Or you could be a dick about it.
- bitmapbrother 10y ago
  http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-com...
  - schwap 10y ago
    > Obviously, we can't confirm this story. We asked Microsoft for comment on if they have people on their payroll using Reddit. Very compelling.
    - cwyers 10y ago
      Yeah. "Anonymous Redditor makes highly unsubstantiated claims that Microsoft flatly denies" is not exactly what I'd call "evidence."
    - partiallypro 10y ago
      Even more questionable is that it's on Business Insider. http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/henry-blodget-linkbait-slideshows-aggregation/ http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/henry-blodget-linkbait-slid...
    - bitmapbrother 10y ago
      It's all linked. They even run a Online Reputation service. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/online-privacy/reputation.aspx https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/online-privacy/repu...
  - TheRealDunkirk 10y ago
    The bottom line is that any large-ish company who has a consumer-oriented product is paying for positive social media coverage. Even small ones try, as part of someone's job. The big guys just outsource it. I expect one-third to one-half of anything positive I read about anything on the internet is bought-and-paid-for. I guess I should assume a portion of anything negative is also bought-and-paid-for by competing interests. We invented the first, truly open and flat, egalitarian communication medium in the history of mankind, and then destroyed it within 20 years. Twenty billion web sites, and nothing exists except Amazon, Ebay, Google, YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter. Good job, corporations of America. I miss the web of '94. EDIT: Also, I have no problem whatsoever believing that Reddit is a veritable playground for companies to exercise their "reputation management." It's pretty clear that their moves in recent years were precisely to allow deep pockets to game their systems to their benefit. I think Reddit and most of their top-posters are being completely hypocritical in claiming that the system isn't stacked in favor of whoever is paying them.
- dsp1234 10y ago
  I'm a little curious. What part of Microsoft having container availability in it's cloud offering is not interesting (particularly given that it can run both linux and windows containers)? In other words, what makes you assume that the upvotes are 'paid' vs people being interested in the technology?
  - ThinkBeat 10y ago
    Do you have a technical link to how to run Windows Containers in this new offering? I tried to look and this is the most specific I could find: " At this time the service supports Linux containers only. Microsoft has committed to providing Windows Server Containers using Docker and Apache Mesos is being ported to Windows. This work will allow us to add Windows Server Container support to Azure Container Service in the future. " https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/azure-container-service-preview/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/azure-container-servi... However that documentation is old as you can see. I cant find any new documentation. I did find a post on how to setup a virtual machine of Windows Server 2016 preview and use it as a container
    - CoreySanders 10y ago
      Right now, the Azure Container Service is a Linux only offering. We are working to enable Windows Server Container support using the Windows Server 2016 preview. Stay tuned for future announcements on this.
    - rossgardler 10y ago
      As Corey says, Windows Server Containers are not yet supported in ACS. It is coming though. Windows Server Containers have existed since the release of Windows Server 2016 TP4 and you can try that out on Azure if you want to experiment with early code. See https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscontainers/quick_start/azure_setup https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowsconta... DISCLAIMER: I work for MS as the PM on the Azure Container Service
    - dsp1234 10y ago
      Sorry, I was looking at this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscontainers/quick_start/manage_docker https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowsconta... Which specifically mentions: Windows Server Containers: A Windows Container Host running Windows Server 2016 (Full or Core), either on-prem or in Azure. Which I mistakenly thought was part of this offering.
- partiallypro 10y ago
  How can you say this with a straight face when day in and day out Google and Amazon are top stories on Hacker News? Azure is the second largest cloud platform, it's pretty relevant.
  - mythz 10y ago
    Are there any well known YC companies using Azure? All the ones I know that have published their technology stacks are using AWS, which is why I expect AWS features to be more popular on HN since they're more relevant and useful.
    - partiallypro 10y ago
      Are you assuming that only YC company employees use Hacker News as a news source? Google gets just as much airtime as Microsoft and Amazon here, and Google is vastly smaller (as of right now) in their cloud business.
      - mythz 10y ago
        No I'm assuming a lot of the Startup and YC community here are overwhelming using AWS which is why I expect AWS stories would be more relevant. I just see a lot of manufactured hype around Azure and not many well-known Startups using it.
        learnHowItWorks 10y ago
        The world is a lot bigger than the view around startups. They are great and all, but the audience of this site has grown a lot and includes a large number of corporate IT people now. Weren't there several AWS stories on the front page anyway today? Has "cloud provider" become as tribal as "phone manufacturer" or "os vendor/not-vendor"? That whole part of technology culture is just wearing me out. Research shows that some things in tech trip the same emotional centers in the brain as religion. It just makes me tired. Even if MS was directly paying for stuff like this, wouldn't that be in-line with PG's libertarian whatchamacallit?
florianleibert 10y ago
Here is more information about the underlying technology, which also powers e.g. Twitter (Apache Mesos and DC/OS). https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-joins-the-new-dc-os-open-source-project/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-joins-the-n...
jksmith 10y ago
Look for golang support in VS Code to continue improving.
- gecko 10y ago
  It's honestly already pretty freaking good. If you allow for the fact that Go is a less rich language (syntactically) than Java, I'd even suggest that VSC for Go is on par with IDEA products for their respective languages. There's definitely stuff to improve yet, but the day-to-day stuff is smooth as silk.
  - jksmith 10y ago
    Of course I use VS for my Stepford wife work, but always used LiteIDE for my golang stuff. I'll have to check out VSC.
skyraider 10y ago
This is interesting when compared to Amazon Elastic Container Service because of Azure Container Service's support for native Docker clustering tools. If I am developing user docker-compose, I want to deploy that way, too - at least until I reach scale, at which point I want scheduling and orchestration tools, e.g. Swarm. For easier disaster recovery, it's very convenient if these scheduling/orchestration tools let you deploy in the same way cross-cloud-provider. Swarm can run on AWS/Azure/GCE/bare metal, whereas ECS (which doesn't support Swarm and has its own scheduling/orchestration toolset) can only run on ECS. +1 to MS for thinking about native tooling up-front.
- CoreySanders 10y ago
  One of our primary goals with ACS is to make sure we offered versatility with the platform. We wanted to support both a choice of orchestrators (DCOS and Swarm) and wanted to expose these open source solutions directly, enabling cross-cloud mobility. Disclosure: I work for Microsoft on Azure.
  - SEJeff 10y ago
    Does this mean you and the Azure team convinced Mesosphere to open source DCOS?
    - rossgardler 10y ago
      We (MS) are one of over 60 partners that Mesosphere worked with to open source DC/OS. No convincing required :-)
  - wstrange 10y ago
    Will Kubernetes be supported in the future? This is much more interesting to me than Swarm
awinter-py 10y ago
Availability nice to have. If they can get it consistent & partition-tolerant, I think people will really get behind this product.

148 points by CoreySanders 10y ago

sauryadas_ 10y ago

Awesome!!

3327 10y ago

is Microsoft paying for up votes?

anon987 10y ago
They sure are and it's much worse on Reddit. With Microsoft's shrinking relevance to modern computing it's a given. They have billions in the bank so they might as well spend a few million on fake upvotes to give their products an illusion of popularity. When your own former CEO calls Microsoft's current cloud numbers "bullshit", they probably are.
- learnHowItWorks 10y ago
  Maybe they actually decided to start responding to the whining and demanding of developers on sites like HN because, you know, they exist to sell shit to users and developers? Maybe they are trying to give you guys exactly what you want in the way of services and products because your way won? Or you could be a dick about it.
bitmapbrother 10y ago
http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-com...
- schwap 10y ago
  > Obviously, we can't confirm this story. We asked Microsoft for comment on if they have people on their payroll using Reddit. Very compelling.
  - cwyers 10y ago
    Yeah. "Anonymous Redditor makes highly unsubstantiated claims that Microsoft flatly denies" is not exactly what I'd call "evidence."
  - partiallypro 10y ago
    Even more questionable is that it's on Business Insider. http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/henry-blodget-linkbait-slideshows-aggregation/ http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/22/henry-blodget-linkbait-slid...
  - bitmapbrother 10y ago
    It's all linked. They even run a Online Reputation service. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/online-privacy/reputation.aspx https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/online-privacy/repu...
- TheRealDunkirk 10y ago
  The bottom line is that any large-ish company who has a consumer-oriented product is paying for positive social media coverage. Even small ones try, as part of someone's job. The big guys just outsource it. I expect one-third to one-half of anything positive I read about anything on the internet is bought-and-paid-for. I guess I should assume a portion of anything negative is also bought-and-paid-for by competing interests. We invented the first, truly open and flat, egalitarian communication medium in the history of mankind, and then destroyed it within 20 years. Twenty billion web sites, and nothing exists except Amazon, Ebay, Google, YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter. Good job, corporations of America. I miss the web of '94. EDIT: Also, I have no problem whatsoever believing that Reddit is a veritable playground for companies to exercise their "reputation management." It's pretty clear that their moves in recent years were precisely to allow deep pockets to game their systems to their benefit. I think Reddit and most of their top-posters are being completely hypocritical in claiming that the system isn't stacked in favor of whoever is paying them.
dsp1234 10y ago
I'm a little curious. What part of Microsoft having container availability in it's cloud offering is not interesting (particularly given that it can run both linux and windows containers)? In other words, what makes you assume that the upvotes are 'paid' vs people being interested in the technology?
- ThinkBeat 10y ago
  Do you have a technical link to how to run Windows Containers in this new offering? I tried to look and this is the most specific I could find: " At this time the service supports Linux containers only. Microsoft has committed to providing Windows Server Containers using Docker and Apache Mesos is being ported to Windows. This work will allow us to add Windows Server Container support to Azure Container Service in the future. " https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/azure-container-service-preview/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/azure-container-servi... However that documentation is old as you can see. I cant find any new documentation. I did find a post on how to setup a virtual machine of Windows Server 2016 preview and use it as a container
  - CoreySanders 10y ago
    Right now, the Azure Container Service is a Linux only offering. We are working to enable Windows Server Container support using the Windows Server 2016 preview. Stay tuned for future announcements on this.
  - rossgardler 10y ago
    As Corey says, Windows Server Containers are not yet supported in ACS. It is coming though. Windows Server Containers have existed since the release of Windows Server 2016 TP4 and you can try that out on Azure if you want to experiment with early code. See https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscontainers/quick_start/azure_setup https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowsconta... DISCLAIMER: I work for MS as the PM on the Azure Container Service
  - dsp1234 10y ago
    Sorry, I was looking at this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscontainers/quick_start/manage_docker https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowsconta... Which specifically mentions: Windows Server Containers: A Windows Container Host running Windows Server 2016 (Full or Core), either on-prem or in Azure. Which I mistakenly thought was part of this offering.
partiallypro 10y ago
How can you say this with a straight face when day in and day out Google and Amazon are top stories on Hacker News? Azure is the second largest cloud platform, it's pretty relevant.
- mythz 10y ago
  Are there any well known YC companies using Azure? All the ones I know that have published their technology stacks are using AWS, which is why I expect AWS features to be more popular on HN since they're more relevant and useful.
  - partiallypro 10y ago
    Are you assuming that only YC company employees use Hacker News as a news source? Google gets just as much airtime as Microsoft and Amazon here, and Google is vastly smaller (as of right now) in their cloud business.
    - mythz 10y ago
      No I'm assuming a lot of the Startup and YC community here are overwhelming using AWS which is why I expect AWS stories would be more relevant. I just see a lot of manufactured hype around Azure and not many well-known Startups using it.
      - learnHowItWorks 10y ago
        The world is a lot bigger than the view around startups. They are great and all, but the audience of this site has grown a lot and includes a large number of corporate IT people now. Weren't there several AWS stories on the front page anyway today? Has "cloud provider" become as tribal as "phone manufacturer" or "os vendor/not-vendor"? That whole part of technology culture is just wearing me out. Research shows that some things in tech trip the same emotional centers in the brain as religion. It just makes me tired. Even if MS was directly paying for stuff like this, wouldn't that be in-line with PG's libertarian whatchamacallit?

florianleibert 10y ago

Here is more information about the underlying technology, which also powers e.g. Twitter (Apache Mesos and DC/OS). https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-joins-the-new-dc-os-open-source-project/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-joins-the-n...

jksmith 10y ago

Look for golang support in VS Code to continue improving.

gecko 10y ago
It's honestly already pretty freaking good. If you allow for the fact that Go is a less rich language (syntactically) than Java, I'd even suggest that VSC for Go is on par with IDEA products for their respective languages. There's definitely stuff to improve yet, but the day-to-day stuff is smooth as silk.
- jksmith 10y ago
  Of course I use VS for my Stepford wife work, but always used LiteIDE for my golang stuff. I'll have to check out VSC.

skyraider 10y ago

This is interesting when compared to Amazon Elastic Container Service because of Azure Container Service's support for native Docker clustering tools. If I am developing user docker-compose, I want to deploy that way, too - at least until I reach scale, at which point I want scheduling and orchestration tools, e.g. Swarm. For easier disaster recovery, it's very convenient if these scheduling/orchestration tools let you deploy in the same way cross-cloud-provider. Swarm can run on AWS/Azure/GCE/bare metal, whereas ECS (which doesn't support Swarm and has its own scheduling/orchestration toolset) can only run on ECS. +1 to MS for thinking about native tooling up-front.

CoreySanders 10y ago
One of our primary goals with ACS is to make sure we offered versatility with the platform. We wanted to support both a choice of orchestrators (DCOS and Swarm) and wanted to expose these open source solutions directly, enabling cross-cloud mobility. Disclosure: I work for Microsoft on Azure.
- SEJeff 10y ago
  Does this mean you and the Azure team convinced Mesosphere to open source DCOS?
  - rossgardler 10y ago
    We (MS) are one of over 60 partners that Mesosphere worked with to open source DC/OS. No convincing required :-)
- wstrange 10y ago
  Will Kubernetes be supported in the future? This is much more interesting to me than Swarm

awinter-py 10y ago

Availability nice to have. If they can get it consistent & partition-tolerant, I think people will really get behind this product.