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> but that's what psychology is really for... for enforcing, disciplining and punishing people that don't conform to the economic or social norms... This is qu

> but that's what psychology is really for... for enforcing, disciplining and punishing people that don't conform to the economic or social norms... This is quite fallacious. You are essentially describing fundamental peer/societal pressures, not psychology, in some sophomoric attempt at wit. There are individuals who truly suffer from deep psychosis and other troubling issues. Let's not be so callous with our broad brush strokes.

x5n1 10y ago
> There are individuals who truly suffer from deep psychosis and other troubling issues. Let's not be so callous with our broad brush strokes. As Foucault pointed out (and even Sapolsky) these people used to have a job, we called them Oracles or Shaman or Prophets. Instead Psychologists and Psychiatry either wishes to fix them when in many cases they can't be "fixed", by giving them drugs to mess with their already fragile minds or through other means and therapies. Where the humane thing would be to simply give them autonomy and some sort of social way of acquiring food and resources. Many of their problems are caused by the inability of society to accommodate things which are not machines, for instance anxiety problems and depression caused by interaction with the economy itself. We have a a whole set of treatments to make them conform. Rather than accepting them for who they are, and giving them some sort of role to play. Because as I said they are not good corporate drones that follow the logic of production and consumption in the modern economy. If they wish to have any sort of autonomy they must do it through the economy, which has made making a living as a quack more and more difficult through this sort of societal logic. Sure there are minor and major ailments, but don't go around telling me treatment for those ailments is not inspired by making people into tools that are then asked to perform on command. If anything your attempt is sophomoric and completely tone deaf to the larger picture of how these systems fit into our society and what they actually say about it, rather than just trying to "help", it's trying to make them into tools that can be economically exploited so that they are integrated into the system in a very specific, ordered, logical way. Just like religion was trying to "help" those that could not properly be possessed by imaginary things and mental illness. This attempts to do the opposite for those that fit into the mentally-ill religious category. Oh how things change.

x5n1 10y ago

> There are individuals who truly suffer from deep psychosis and other troubling issues. Let's not be so callous with our broad brush strokes. As Foucault pointed out (and even Sapolsky) these people used to have a job, we called them Oracles or Shaman or Prophets. Instead Psychologists and Psychiatry either wishes to fix them when in many cases they can't be "fixed", by giving them drugs to mess with their already fragile minds or through other means and therapies. Where the humane thing would be to simply give them autonomy and some sort of social way of acquiring food and resources. Many of their problems are caused by the inability of society to accommodate things which are not machines, for instance anxiety problems and depression caused by interaction with the economy itself. We have a a whole set of treatments to make them conform. Rather than accepting them for who they are, and giving them some sort of role to play. Because as I said they are not good corporate drones that follow the logic of production and consumption in the modern economy. If they wish to have any sort of autonomy they must do it through the economy, which has made making a living as a quack more and more difficult through this sort of societal logic. Sure there are minor and major ailments, but don't go around telling me treatment for those ailments is not inspired by making people into tools that are then asked to perform on command. If anything your attempt is sophomoric and completely tone deaf to the larger picture of how these systems fit into our society and what they actually say about it, rather than just trying to "help", it's trying to make them into tools that can be economically exploited so that they are integrated into the system in a very specific, ordered, logical way. Just like religion was trying to "help" those that could not properly be possessed by imaginary things and mental illness. This attempts to do the opposite for those that fit into the mentally-ill religious category. Oh how things change.