9 ms·

Are you suggesting that people can't use alternative services just by typing a address into their browser? Or are you saying that if you dislike your goverment

Are you suggesting that people can't use alternative services just by typing a address into their browser? Or are you saying that if you dislike your goverment polices like unjust wars or surveillance state you don't have to pay taxes for them? "children" uses ad hominem attacks. Force is great when the force is directed against dissenting views, but not so cool when your views are in the minority.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 11y ago
> Are you suggesting that people can't use alternative services just by typing a address into their browser? Look up the concepts of (de facto) monopolies, network effects, and externalities.
- magicGLASSman 11y ago
  I know the concept very well. Of course their are advantages to using a service that everyone else is using, but it comes down to what you value more your privacy or the inconvenience of a smaller user group/paying a fee. I think the majority of people don't care about their privacy and would rather make that trade off right now. My core argument is that you still have a choice with free markets but with goverment if your views aren't the majority you are at the whims of group think.
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 11y ago
    > I think the majority of people don't care about their privacy and would rather make that trade off right now. That depends on what you mean by that. I think most people care very much about the long-term effects that lack of privacy has on societies. They just are uninformed and therefore don't see those future costs, which is why they make a flawed tradeoff against their own interests. > My core argument is that you still have a choice with free markets but with goverment if your views aren't the majority you are at the whims of group think. So, if everyone is on facebook, what choice do you have in reaching an audience? If google started manipulating the opinions of the majority of society against your interests, what choice would you have? ...
    - magicGLASSman 11y ago
      >They just are uninformed and therefore don't see those future costs Who is educating these people? organization who have an interest in keeping the masses ignorant to the effects of privacy. >which is why they make a flawed tradeoff against their own interests. this is a common argument it hear, do you not think it is elitist to think that you know better then the common people? Hell, maybe you do, but I bet 10,000 other people also think they know better too. I am going to trust 100 billion micro decisions everyday rather then some academic in an ivory tower who thinks they know the will of the people. >if everyone is on facebook, what choice do you have in reaching an audience? Come on, There are many more channels to reach your audience, you are on one right now. Hacker new knows nothing about me other then my username and password. >If google started manipulating the opinions of the majority of society against your interests, what choice would you have? duckduckgo, bing, reddit, facebook, TV, or Family people get create their opinions based on a huge number of inputs. The problem is that people want to be told they are right so they only consume things that reinforce their opinion (confirmation bias) but that is a whole other road.
      - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 11y ago
        > this is a common argument it hear, do you not think it is elitist to think that you know better then the common people? Hell, maybe you do, but I bet 10,000 other people also think they know better too. I am going to trust 100 billion micro decisions everyday rather then some academic in an ivory tower who thinks they know the will of the people. What is your point? That people don't ever act against their own interest because of lack of information or understanding? > Come on, There are many more channels to reach your audience, you are on one right now. That wasn't the question. The question referred to a hypothetical situation. Stating that the hypothetical situation doesn't match reality doesn't answer the question. > Hacker new knows nothing about me other then my username and password. And your IP address and which comment threads you are interested in and which opinions you express and which comments you vote on in which way ... but I guess that's besides the point anyway. > duckduckgo, bing, reddit, facebook, TV, or Family people get create their opinions based on a huge number of inputs. The problem is that people want to be told they are right so they only consume things that reinforce their opinion (confirmation bias) but that is a whole other road. How is that a choice you have regarding other people being manipulated against your interests? I don't understand.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 11y ago

> Are you suggesting that people can't use alternative services just by typing a address into their browser? Look up the concepts of (de facto) monopolies, network effects, and externalities.

magicGLASSman 11y ago
I know the concept very well. Of course their are advantages to using a service that everyone else is using, but it comes down to what you value more your privacy or the inconvenience of a smaller user group/paying a fee. I think the majority of people don't care about their privacy and would rather make that trade off right now. My core argument is that you still have a choice with free markets but with goverment if your views aren't the majority you are at the whims of group think.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 11y ago
  > I think the majority of people don't care about their privacy and would rather make that trade off right now. That depends on what you mean by that. I think most people care very much about the long-term effects that lack of privacy has on societies. They just are uninformed and therefore don't see those future costs, which is why they make a flawed tradeoff against their own interests. > My core argument is that you still have a choice with free markets but with goverment if your views aren't the majority you are at the whims of group think. So, if everyone is on facebook, what choice do you have in reaching an audience? If google started manipulating the opinions of the majority of society against your interests, what choice would you have? ...
  - magicGLASSman 11y ago
    >They just are uninformed and therefore don't see those future costs Who is educating these people? organization who have an interest in keeping the masses ignorant to the effects of privacy. >which is why they make a flawed tradeoff against their own interests. this is a common argument it hear, do you not think it is elitist to think that you know better then the common people? Hell, maybe you do, but I bet 10,000 other people also think they know better too. I am going to trust 100 billion micro decisions everyday rather then some academic in an ivory tower who thinks they know the will of the people. >if everyone is on facebook, what choice do you have in reaching an audience? Come on, There are many more channels to reach your audience, you are on one right now. Hacker new knows nothing about me other then my username and password. >If google started manipulating the opinions of the majority of society against your interests, what choice would you have? duckduckgo, bing, reddit, facebook, TV, or Family people get create their opinions based on a huge number of inputs. The problem is that people want to be told they are right so they only consume things that reinforce their opinion (confirmation bias) but that is a whole other road.
    - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 11y ago
      > this is a common argument it hear, do you not think it is elitist to think that you know better then the common people? Hell, maybe you do, but I bet 10,000 other people also think they know better too. I am going to trust 100 billion micro decisions everyday rather then some academic in an ivory tower who thinks they know the will of the people. What is your point? That people don't ever act against their own interest because of lack of information or understanding? > Come on, There are many more channels to reach your audience, you are on one right now. That wasn't the question. The question referred to a hypothetical situation. Stating that the hypothetical situation doesn't match reality doesn't answer the question. > Hacker new knows nothing about me other then my username and password. And your IP address and which comment threads you are interested in and which opinions you express and which comments you vote on in which way ... but I guess that's besides the point anyway. > duckduckgo, bing, reddit, facebook, TV, or Family people get create their opinions based on a huge number of inputs. The problem is that people want to be told they are right so they only consume things that reinforce their opinion (confirmation bias) but that is a whole other road. How is that a choice you have regarding other people being manipulated against your interests? I don't understand.