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Many Americans believe in following the law no matter what. Snowden broke the law. Gun owners are trying to prevent the law from changing.

fwn 11y ago
They probably didn't learn following the law by observing their government. ..because that would be another dissonance.
fukusa 11y ago
>Many Americans believe in following the law no matter what. But if the government breaks the law, it's OK? When others do it, they're traitors?
- lghh 11y ago
  That pretty much sums it up, yeah.
  - pavlov 11y ago
    Like Nixon said: "If the President does it, that means it's not illegal."
    - logfromblammo 11y ago
      And like the House judiciary committee said, "Oh yeah? Well we just voted on three articles of impeachment against you." Americans are starting to get rather pissed off at the increasingly obvious double-standard that exists when government employees are suspected of crimes, particularly violent crimes by those charged with keeping the peace, and corruption and fraud by those granted positions of trust and authority. And this is all mostly due to ubiquitous smartphone cameras. In this light, universal surveillance is barely acceptable, just so long as we get to watch them as thoroughly and easily as they watch us. So far, this condition has not been met.
- doki_pen 11y ago
  Listen man, I'm just delivery the news, not defending it. The question was how do people think about it, and that's how they think about it.
callinyouin 11y ago
While the group of Americans who "believe in following the law no matter what" might partially intersect with the gun owner/advocate group, I'd like to add that there are apparently many 2nd Amendment folks who also believe in armed occupation of federal facilities, which is obviously super illegal. Edit: Not sure why I've been downvoted. I said "apparently many" because I've made the horrible mistake of reading comment sections on articles about the occupation event, and there were a number of very vocal supporters in those comments. To me that constitutes "many" supporters of this position. Obviously I have no idea what percentage of total gun rights advocates are in agreement with the occupation as I highly doubt those numbers exist. In addition, I wasn't even trying to make a statement for or against the 2nd Amendment/gun rights, merely pointing something out.
- pekk 11y ago
  Not "many." You are cherry-picking a tiny number of people against a backdrop of 300 million or so.
  - callinyouin 11y ago
    Why not respond like this to the comment I was replying to? doki_pen said "Many Americans believe in following the law no matter what". Might this also be a tiny number of people when compared to the whole U.S. population? Speaking of the population, there are barely more than 300 million people in the entire country. I doubt there are that many 2nd Amendment activists.

fwn 11y ago

They probably didn't learn following the law by observing their government. ..because that would be another dissonance.

fukusa 11y ago

>Many Americans believe in following the law no matter what. But if the government breaks the law, it's OK? When others do it, they're traitors?

lghh 11y ago
That pretty much sums it up, yeah.
- pavlov 11y ago
  Like Nixon said: "If the President does it, that means it's not illegal."
  - logfromblammo 11y ago
    And like the House judiciary committee said, "Oh yeah? Well we just voted on three articles of impeachment against you." Americans are starting to get rather pissed off at the increasingly obvious double-standard that exists when government employees are suspected of crimes, particularly violent crimes by those charged with keeping the peace, and corruption and fraud by those granted positions of trust and authority. And this is all mostly due to ubiquitous smartphone cameras. In this light, universal surveillance is barely acceptable, just so long as we get to watch them as thoroughly and easily as they watch us. So far, this condition has not been met.
doki_pen 11y ago
Listen man, I'm just delivery the news, not defending it. The question was how do people think about it, and that's how they think about it.

callinyouin 11y ago

While the group of Americans who "believe in following the law no matter what" might partially intersect with the gun owner/advocate group, I'd like to add that there are apparently many 2nd Amendment folks who also believe in armed occupation of federal facilities, which is obviously super illegal. Edit: Not sure why I've been downvoted. I said "apparently many" because I've made the horrible mistake of reading comment sections on articles about the occupation event, and there were a number of very vocal supporters in those comments. To me that constitutes "many" supporters of this position. Obviously I have no idea what percentage of total gun rights advocates are in agreement with the occupation as I highly doubt those numbers exist. In addition, I wasn't even trying to make a statement for or against the 2nd Amendment/gun rights, merely pointing something out.

pekk 11y ago
Not "many." You are cherry-picking a tiny number of people against a backdrop of 300 million or so.
- callinyouin 11y ago
  Why not respond like this to the comment I was replying to? doki_pen said "Many Americans believe in following the law no matter what". Might this also be a tiny number of people when compared to the whole U.S. population? Speaking of the population, there are barely more than 300 million people in the entire country. I doubt there are that many 2nd Amendment activists.