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> They got a handle on security when Linux list a fire under their ass. I have my doubts that all 0.02% or whatever of PC users who are dedicated to using Linu

by VeilEm 11y ago

> They got a handle on security when Linux list a fire under their ass. I have my doubts that all 0.02% or whatever of PC users who are dedicated to using Linux as their desktop OS influenced Microsoft to do anything but if you have data to show otherwise I'd be interested in it.

ethbro 11y ago
I'd assume parent was thinking less of PC users and more of other OS consumers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Public_servers_on_the_Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
- digi_owl 11y ago
  And those are the public ones. BTW, i seem to recall that the London Stock Exchange had a spectacular failure when they went with Windows. The result being that they switched to Linux with in a year or two of bringing their brand new Windows system online. Ah yes, found it: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2467082/data-center/london-stock-exchange-to-abandon-failed-windows-platform.html http://www.computerworld.com/article/2467082/data-center/lon...
digi_owl 11y ago
Desktop smesktop. For MS the desktop has always been a means to an end. Its have been about "total cost of ownership", where they can claim people need less training before being productive at their new job. But to manage all those desktops you need server, and with MS the billing pr active user etc.
lunula 11y ago
I don't know about Linux influencing Microsoft on the desktop, but surely it has lit it up on the server. You are 100% trolling by claiming 0.02% of PC folks use Linux. It is at least two orders of magnitude higher than that, and then android... :)
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tosseraccount 11y ago
"if you have data to show otherwise I'd be interested in it." ... Some data says Linux desktop/laptop share is 1.5% (not counting chromebooks) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... Please note also that Android is Linux and iOS is Darwin BSD unix. Linux and Unix based kernels are more numerous than Windows based units.
- pjmlp 11y ago
  The fact that iOS and Android have a UNIX like kernel doesn't count much if the majority of userspace apps use non UNIX APIs and tooling. They could replace the kernel with something else and most devs wouldn't even notice.
avz 11y ago
> 0.02% or whatever of PC users who are dedicated to using Linux as their desktop OS Wikipedia: 1.5% [1] NetMarketShare: 1.71% [2] W3Schools: 5.6% [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... [2] https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share... [3] http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
kllrnohj 11y ago
The obvious example would be netbooks. MSFT moved very fast to counter Linux on that front.

by VeilEm 11y ago

ethbro 11y ago

I'd assume parent was thinking less of PC users and more of other OS consumers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Public_servers_on_the_Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

digi_owl 11y ago
And those are the public ones. BTW, i seem to recall that the London Stock Exchange had a spectacular failure when they went with Windows. The result being that they switched to Linux with in a year or two of bringing their brand new Windows system online. Ah yes, found it: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2467082/data-center/london-stock-exchange-to-abandon-failed-windows-platform.html http://www.computerworld.com/article/2467082/data-center/lon...

digi_owl 11y ago

Desktop smesktop. For MS the desktop has always been a means to an end. Its have been about "total cost of ownership", where they can claim people need less training before being productive at their new job. But to manage all those desktops you need server, and with MS the billing pr active user etc.

lunula 11y ago

I don't know about Linux influencing Microsoft on the desktop, but surely it has lit it up on the server. You are 100% trolling by claiming 0.02% of PC folks use Linux. It is at least two orders of magnitude higher than that, and then android... :)

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tosseraccount 11y ago

"if you have data to show otherwise I'd be interested in it." ... Some data says Linux desktop/laptop share is 1.5% (not counting chromebooks) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... Please note also that Android is Linux and iOS is Darwin BSD unix. Linux and Unix based kernels are more numerous than Windows based units.

pjmlp 11y ago
The fact that iOS and Android have a UNIX like kernel doesn't count much if the majority of userspace apps use non UNIX APIs and tooling. They could replace the kernel with something else and most devs wouldn't even notice.

avz 11y ago

> 0.02% or whatever of PC users who are dedicated to using Linux as their desktop OS Wikipedia: 1.5% [1] NetMarketShare: 1.71% [2] W3Schools: 5.6% [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Desktop_and_laptop_computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... [2] https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share... [3] http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

kllrnohj 11y ago

The obvious example would be netbooks. MSFT moved very fast to counter Linux on that front.