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The same thing happened with .GIFs, royalties weren't actively pursued for a very long time, but when they were it became a problem. Let's not make the same mi

by evdawg 17y ago

The same thing happened with .GIFs, royalties weren't actively pursued for a very long time, but when they were it became a problem. Let's not make the same mistake again.

natrius 17y ago
For the curious, a quick search yields claims of 2025 and 2028 as the last patent expiration date. This announcement shouldn't please anyone.
- modeless 17y ago
  How can that be if the standard was ratified in 2003?
  - jws 17y ago
    Some of the patents may have been applied for, but not granted until after ratification.
    - modeless 17y ago
      For patents filed after 1995 the patent term is based on the filing date of the application, not the date the patent is granted.
  - wmf 17y ago
    Perhaps some of the patents cover optimizations that don't affect the bitstream format. Or maybe they're just bogus patents.
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tedunangst 17y ago
That's twisting the story quite a bit. Compuserve made GIFs (unaware of the patent) and Unisys had been charging companies for the patent for a long time (but were unaware of GIF). When Unisys found out, they started charging. It was hardly bait and switch. At no point did Unisys ever tell people to use GIF because they had no plans to charge for it.
- haberman 17y ago
  "Unisys does not require licensing, or fees to be paid, for non-commercial, non-profit GIF-based applications, including those for use on the on-line services. Concerning developers of software for the Internet network, the same principle applies. Unisys will not pursue previous inadvertent infringement by developers producing versions of software products for the Internet prior to 1995. The company does not require licensing, or fees to be paid for non-commercial, non-profit offerings on the Internet, including "Freeware"." --Unisys 1995 (http://web.archive.org/web/19981203000955/http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Patents/Gif/unisys.html http://web.archive.org/web/19981203000955/http://lpf.ai.mit....) Unisys has frequently been asked whether a Unisys license is required in order to use LZW software obtained by downloading from the Internet or from other sources. The answer is simple. In all cases, a written license agreement or statement signed by an authorized Unisys representative is required from Unisys for all use, sale or distribution of any software (including so-called "freeware") and/or hardware providing LZW conversion capability (for example, downloaded software used for creating/displaying GIF images). --Unisys 1999 (http://web.archive.org/web/20021203075728/http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/lzw/index.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20021203075728/http://www.unisys....)
  - tedunangst 17y ago
    Crazy. I knew about the second version of their policy, but didn't realize they actually did say it was free at first.

by evdawg 17y ago

The same thing happened with .GIFs, royalties weren't actively pursued for a very long time, but when they were it became a problem. Let's not make the same mistake again.

natrius 17y ago

For the curious, a quick search yields claims of 2025 and 2028 as the last patent expiration date. This announcement shouldn't please anyone.

modeless 17y ago
How can that be if the standard was ratified in 2003?
- jws 17y ago
  Some of the patents may have been applied for, but not granted until after ratification.
  - modeless 17y ago
    For patents filed after 1995 the patent term is based on the filing date of the application, not the date the patent is granted.
- wmf 17y ago
  Perhaps some of the patents cover optimizations that don't affect the bitstream format. Or maybe they're just bogus patents.

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tedunangst 17y ago

That's twisting the story quite a bit. Compuserve made GIFs (unaware of the patent) and Unisys had been charging companies for the patent for a long time (but were unaware of GIF). When Unisys found out, they started charging. It was hardly bait and switch. At no point did Unisys ever tell people to use GIF because they had no plans to charge for it.

haberman 17y ago
"Unisys does not require licensing, or fees to be paid, for non-commercial, non-profit GIF-based applications, including those for use on the on-line services. Concerning developers of software for the Internet network, the same principle applies. Unisys will not pursue previous inadvertent infringement by developers producing versions of software products for the Internet prior to 1995. The company does not require licensing, or fees to be paid for non-commercial, non-profit offerings on the Internet, including "Freeware"." --Unisys 1995 (http://web.archive.org/web/19981203000955/http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Patents/Gif/unisys.html http://web.archive.org/web/19981203000955/http://lpf.ai.mit....) Unisys has frequently been asked whether a Unisys license is required in order to use LZW software obtained by downloading from the Internet or from other sources. The answer is simple. In all cases, a written license agreement or statement signed by an authorized Unisys representative is required from Unisys for all use, sale or distribution of any software (including so-called "freeware") and/or hardware providing LZW conversion capability (for example, downloaded software used for creating/displaying GIF images). --Unisys 1999 (http://web.archive.org/web/20021203075728/http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/lzw/index.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20021203075728/http://www.unisys....)
- tedunangst 17y ago
  Crazy. I knew about the second version of their policy, but didn't realize they actually did say it was free at first.