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Maybe I read more into it, but I thought enchantment was also involved? (My imagining was of some light chocolate treat... the kind that melts in your mouth an

Maybe I read more into it, but I thought enchantment was also involved? (My imagining was of some light chocolate treat... the kind that melts in your mouth and is almost impossible to overeat.)

tlrobinson 11y ago
Indeed: "Probably the Queen knew quite well what he was thinking; for she knew, though Edmund did not, that this was enchanted Turkish Delight and that anyone who had once tasted it would want more and more of it, and would even, if they were allowed, go on eating it till they killed themselves." http://www.shmoop.com/lion-witch-wardrobe/supernatural-quotes.html http://www.shmoop.com/lion-witch-wardrobe/supernatural-quote... The article actually points that out too, but glosses over it: "(To be fair, it was enchanted. But still, Edmund. Still.)" Seems like an important point though. Yes, Edmund liked turkish delight enough to ask for it in the first place, but once he had the Queen's Turkish Delight he was more hopeless than a heroin addict desperate for their next fix. As an aside, I can't believe we're debating Turkish Delight and "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" on Hacker News.
- OneOneOneOne 11y ago
  "(To be fair, it was enchanted. But still, Edmund. Still.)" Yes. The enchantment would strongly affect Edmund. I am surprised the article author thinks this a trifle.
- anon4 11y ago
  Kind of like saying it's awful how people paint Hitler and Nazism in general in such a dehumanizing evil light, when they rebuilt a war-torn Germany into a well-oiled prosperous country (To be fair, they genocided some minorities¹. But still, people. Still.) ¹ - Assuming that the holocaust happened. It is my understanding that a lot of people deny that any ethnic minorities were killed by the Nazi regime and that the entire thing was fabricated, but the overwhelming opinion is that a number of people perished in the camps and a not insignificant amount of the survivors were severely maltreated.
lotharbot 11y ago
my imagining was actually a meat-with-gravy dish, just like someone else in the article -- I think "sticky turkey" was what I had in mind. In terms of reading more into it: I didn't get the impression that Edmund was willing to "sell everyone out" for a piece. More like, Edmund was willing to judge the white witch positively because she gave him attention and gifts. He became enchanted, both in the magical and in the mundane sense -- he was sure that she was telling the truth, that she had his best interests in mind, and therefore that anyone who viewed her negatively must have selfish ulterior motives. Whatever negative feelings he had about his siblings became magnified -- every memory of every white lie any of them had told, every mistake in judgement shown by any of them, became a reason to think they were now intentionally committing treason against the true and righteous queen of Narnia. We've all seen that effect with someone becoming "enchanted" with a politician, celebrity, or religious figure. Their reasons for thinking highly of that person might be trivial or even stupid, but once they hold that opinion, they'll respond to criticism with anger. It's a pattern often seen with abusive relationships -- "he's just a great guy!" "he comes home drunk and chokes you" "YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!!!!"

Maybe I read more into it, but I thought enchantment was also involved? (My imagining was of some light chocolate treat... the kind that melts in your mouth and is almost impossible to overeat.)

tlrobinson 11y ago

Indeed: "Probably the Queen knew quite well what he was thinking; for she knew, though Edmund did not, that this was enchanted Turkish Delight and that anyone who had once tasted it would want more and more of it, and would even, if they were allowed, go on eating it till they killed themselves." http://www.shmoop.com/lion-witch-wardrobe/supernatural-quotes.html http://www.shmoop.com/lion-witch-wardrobe/supernatural-quote... The article actually points that out too, but glosses over it: "(To be fair, it was enchanted. But still, Edmund. Still.)" Seems like an important point though. Yes, Edmund liked turkish delight enough to ask for it in the first place, but once he had the Queen's Turkish Delight he was more hopeless than a heroin addict desperate for their next fix. As an aside, I can't believe we're debating Turkish Delight and "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" on Hacker News.

OneOneOneOne 11y ago
"(To be fair, it was enchanted. But still, Edmund. Still.)" Yes. The enchantment would strongly affect Edmund. I am surprised the article author thinks this a trifle.
anon4 11y ago
Kind of like saying it's awful how people paint Hitler and Nazism in general in such a dehumanizing evil light, when they rebuilt a war-torn Germany into a well-oiled prosperous country (To be fair, they genocided some minorities¹. But still, people. Still.) ¹ - Assuming that the holocaust happened. It is my understanding that a lot of people deny that any ethnic minorities were killed by the Nazi regime and that the entire thing was fabricated, but the overwhelming opinion is that a number of people perished in the camps and a not insignificant amount of the survivors were severely maltreated.

lotharbot 11y ago

my imagining was actually a meat-with-gravy dish, just like someone else in the article -- I think "sticky turkey" was what I had in mind. In terms of reading more into it: I didn't get the impression that Edmund was willing to "sell everyone out" for a piece. More like, Edmund was willing to judge the white witch positively because she gave him attention and gifts. He became enchanted, both in the magical and in the mundane sense -- he was sure that she was telling the truth, that she had his best interests in mind, and therefore that anyone who viewed her negatively must have selfish ulterior motives. Whatever negative feelings he had about his siblings became magnified -- every memory of every white lie any of them had told, every mistake in judgement shown by any of them, became a reason to think they were now intentionally committing treason against the true and righteous queen of Narnia. We've all seen that effect with someone becoming "enchanted" with a politician, celebrity, or religious figure. Their reasons for thinking highly of that person might be trivial or even stupid, but once they hold that opinion, they'll respond to criticism with anger. It's a pattern often seen with abusive relationships -- "he's just a great guy!" "he comes home drunk and chokes you" "YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!!!!"