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Funny that you mention "storage vendors". In Germany we have to pay a fee as compensation on storage like USB sticks, because it is potentially used to store co

Funny that you mention "storage vendors". In Germany we have to pay a fee as compensation on storage like USB sticks, because it is potentially used to store copyright material. It's outrageous. http://www.geek.com/news/germany-increases-usb-flash-drive-tax-by-over-2000-percent-1494587/ http://www.geek.com/news/germany-increases-usb-flash-drive-t...

acd 11y ago
Same in Sweden, why is a storage vendor more liable than a CPU or memory vendor?
- stpe 11y ago
  Looking forward to the upcoming documentary COPYGATE - A documentary about Copyswede that is addressing this. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danielbramme/copygate https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danielbramme/copygate
- function_seven 11y ago
  Devil's Advocate: The storage device is where the copy of the copyrighted media resides. The CPU, speakers, headphones, video display, RAM, etc. are all transitory in their involvement of piracy; but the hard drive/USB stick is "where" the violation is taking place. Again, devil's advocate here! This is mostly a thought exercise. Related: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
  - Natanael_L 11y ago
    Some media companies have tried to sue switch makers over the fact that their switches temporarily hold copies of the sent media in their cache without a license. Related: http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-indexing-and-other-internet-functions http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-ind... http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_5znwT86CD8J:https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/373/373.F3d.544.03-1911.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_5znwT8... http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-indexing-and-other-internet-functions http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-ind... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2036961/belgian-isps-sued-for-providing-internet-access-without-paying-copyright-levies.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2036961/belgian-isps-sued-for...
  - Confusion 11y ago
    So what if you watch the film shortly after download and remove it immediately after viewing? Transitory -> not instrumental in enabling piracy?
    - spost 11y ago
      Or even more directly, download to a ramdisk.
rimantas 11y ago
Same in Lithuania :(
tomp 11y ago
I actually love this tax. It makes it morally, and possibly also legaly, excusable to share/pirate media.
- ulber 11y ago
  Finland had a similar tax before. At least here the purpose of the tax was to offset the loss of income incurred from (perfectly legal) private copying (i.e. making copies for yourself or your close friends). In this sense our tax did not excuse piracy. On the other hand one might not agree to offsetting costs from legal copying and use the tax as an excuse for piracy anyway.
  - tomp 11y ago
    Well, if the copying is legal, then noone deserves to be compesated for it, obviously. Furthermore, I don't even agree with offsetting costs from illegal copying (since there are no provable costs), hence my moral interpretation of the tax.
- malka 11y ago
  Same in France. I now pirate while feeling I have the right to do it. Thanks you deer government for this tax !
acz 11y ago
It is the same in Russia. But does it implicate that, according to No-double-pay-for-one-service principle we can legally pirate stuff and store it on our storage drives?
zwegner 11y ago
In the US there's something like that, though with a narrower set of devices/media covered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act

acd 11y ago

Same in Sweden, why is a storage vendor more liable than a CPU or memory vendor?

stpe 11y ago
Looking forward to the upcoming documentary COPYGATE - A documentary about Copyswede that is addressing this. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danielbramme/copygate https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danielbramme/copygate
function_seven 11y ago
Devil's Advocate: The storage device is where the copy of the copyrighted media resides. The CPU, speakers, headphones, video display, RAM, etc. are all transitory in their involvement of piracy; but the hard drive/USB stick is "where" the violation is taking place. Again, devil's advocate here! This is mostly a thought exercise. Related: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
- Natanael_L 11y ago
  Some media companies have tried to sue switch makers over the fact that their switches temporarily hold copies of the sent media in their cache without a license. Related: http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-indexing-and-other-internet-functions http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-ind... http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_5znwT86CD8J:https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/373/373.F3d.544.03-1911.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_5znwT8... http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-indexing-and-other-internet-functions http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/issues-paper/caching-ind... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2036961/belgian-isps-sued-for-providing-internet-access-without-paying-copyright-levies.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2036961/belgian-isps-sued-for...
- Confusion 11y ago
  So what if you watch the film shortly after download and remove it immediately after viewing? Transitory -> not instrumental in enabling piracy?
  - spost 11y ago
    Or even more directly, download to a ramdisk.

rimantas 11y ago

Same in Lithuania :(

tomp 11y ago

I actually love this tax. It makes it morally, and possibly also legaly, excusable to share/pirate media.

ulber 11y ago
Finland had a similar tax before. At least here the purpose of the tax was to offset the loss of income incurred from (perfectly legal) private copying (i.e. making copies for yourself or your close friends). In this sense our tax did not excuse piracy. On the other hand one might not agree to offsetting costs from legal copying and use the tax as an excuse for piracy anyway.
- tomp 11y ago
  Well, if the copying is legal, then noone deserves to be compesated for it, obviously. Furthermore, I don't even agree with offsetting costs from illegal copying (since there are no provable costs), hence my moral interpretation of the tax.
malka 11y ago
Same in France. I now pirate while feeling I have the right to do it. Thanks you deer government for this tax !

acz 11y ago

It is the same in Russia. But does it implicate that, according to No-double-pay-for-one-service principle we can legally pirate stuff and store it on our storage drives?

zwegner 11y ago

In the US there's something like that, though with a narrower set of devices/media covered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act