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They have found grain in the pyramids, but small amounts buried along with the other treasures as part of the burial ritual. Since grain was "stored" there then

They have found grain in the pyramids, but small amounts buried along with the other treasures as part of the burial ritual. Since grain was "stored" there then they were technically used to "store" grain.

qubex 11y ago
I might be wrong but I don't think any kind of treasure has ever been located within a pyramid.
- nightspirit 11y ago
  ... in modern times :)
- thaumasiotes 11y ago
  The whole Valley of the Kings system (formal pyramid without grave goods; secret tomb with grave goods) started because they were tired of public tombs getting plundered.
lisper 11y ago
That's technically true, but irrelevant, at least in the context of what Carson said. Carson's comment was that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain. This is significant because Joseph prophesied seven years of famine and urged the Egyptians to store grain against it (Ge41). So anything built "by Joseph to store grain" would have to hold a lot of grain.
- nightspirit 11y ago
  Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? Nobody has ever found any evidence of Exodus and it isn't like people aren't trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
  - lisper 11y ago
    Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist, and hence a young-earth creationist. (Yes, I know. It's mind-boggling, isn't it?) And he's stood by the remark. So almost certainly he was being (and continues to be) serious.
    - nightspirit 11y ago
      I'm not sure if this shows he is really serious or exactly the opposite. In Poland there is a guy, Janusz Palikot, who in 2005 owned a "Christian", anti-(many things including LGBT) newspaper but later sold it and founded a pro-LGBT, anti-religion political party.
    - protomyth 11y ago
      All Seventh-day Adventist are NOT young-earth creationists.
      - lisper 11y ago
        That may be, but it is official church doctrine: http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ "God has revealed in Scripture the authentic and historical account of His creative activity. He created the universe, and in a recent six-day creation the Lord made “the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” and rested on the seventh day."
        protomyth 11y ago
        Yes, they quote the bible. Yes, many Christian churches quote the same text and call it the same. No, it does not mean all Seventh Day Adventists are young earth creationists.
        lisper 11y ago
        I didn't say all 7DAs were YECs. But the fact of the matter is that YEC is the church's official position. And Ben Carson is on record as believing in a six-day creation, and professing ignorance of the age of the earth. So we can quibble over the YE part, but not the C part. Ben Carson is without question a creationist.
- wavefunction 11y ago
  @nightspirit Ben Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist and he does believe that the Pyramids of Giza were built by the Biblical Joseph to store grain. I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters but this is ultimately an example of one of his personal beliefs.
  - ars 11y ago
    > I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters If anything that will loose him Jewish votes. According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first?
    - Shivetya 11y ago
      He will lose Jewish votes simply because he is running as a Republican more so than his odd takes on history surrounding the Christian Church. All politicians have eccentricities, as long as they are harmless I am more concerned about what they want to accomplish. That and their character are my two big areas of concern
    - coldtea 11y ago
      >According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first? Well, if you're going to base a belief in the Bible, why take an outside estimation (the 1759BCE number) into account at all?
      - ars 11y ago
        It's not an outside estimation, it's based on dates written in the bible. You don't get to believe in the bible and claim a significantly different date for this event. Carson's position is simply illogical. Either he doesn't know the bible well, or he disagrees with the estimated dates for the construction of the pyramids. I suspect it's the former, not the latter. He definitely doesn't get my vote.

qubex 11y ago

I might be wrong but I don't think any kind of treasure has ever been located within a pyramid.

nightspirit 11y ago
... in modern times :)
thaumasiotes 11y ago
The whole Valley of the Kings system (formal pyramid without grave goods; secret tomb with grave goods) started because they were tired of public tombs getting plundered.

lisper 11y ago

That's technically true, but irrelevant, at least in the context of what Carson said. Carson's comment was that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain. This is significant because Joseph prophesied seven years of famine and urged the Egyptians to store grain against it (Ge41). So anything built "by Joseph to store grain" would have to hold a lot of grain.

nightspirit 11y ago
Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? Nobody has ever found any evidence of Exodus and it isn't like people aren't trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
- lisper 11y ago
  Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist, and hence a young-earth creationist. (Yes, I know. It's mind-boggling, isn't it?) And he's stood by the remark. So almost certainly he was being (and continues to be) serious.
  - nightspirit 11y ago
    I'm not sure if this shows he is really serious or exactly the opposite. In Poland there is a guy, Janusz Palikot, who in 2005 owned a "Christian", anti-(many things including LGBT) newspaper but later sold it and founded a pro-LGBT, anti-religion political party.
  - protomyth 11y ago
    All Seventh-day Adventist are NOT young-earth creationists.
    - lisper 11y ago
      That may be, but it is official church doctrine: http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ "God has revealed in Scripture the authentic and historical account of His creative activity. He created the universe, and in a recent six-day creation the Lord made “the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” and rested on the seventh day."
      - protomyth 11y ago
        Yes, they quote the bible. Yes, many Christian churches quote the same text and call it the same. No, it does not mean all Seventh Day Adventists are young earth creationists.
        lisper 11y ago
        I didn't say all 7DAs were YECs. But the fact of the matter is that YEC is the church's official position. And Ben Carson is on record as believing in a six-day creation, and professing ignorance of the age of the earth. So we can quibble over the YE part, but not the C part. Ben Carson is without question a creationist.
wavefunction 11y ago
@nightspirit Ben Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist and he does believe that the Pyramids of Giza were built by the Biblical Joseph to store grain. I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters but this is ultimately an example of one of his personal beliefs.
- ars 11y ago
  > I'm sure he's also interested in gaining the support of Christian and Jewish voters If anything that will loose him Jewish votes. According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first?
  - Shivetya 11y ago
    He will lose Jewish votes simply because he is running as a Republican more so than his odd takes on history surrounding the Christian Church. All politicians have eccentricities, as long as they are harmless I am more concerned about what they want to accomplish. That and their character are my two big areas of concern
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. If you are going to base a belief in the Bible, maybe actually know what it says first? Well, if you're going to base a belief in the Bible, why take an outside estimation (the 1759BCE number) into account at all?
    - ars 11y ago
      It's not an outside estimation, it's based on dates written in the bible. You don't get to believe in the bible and claim a significantly different date for this event. Carson's position is simply illogical. Either he doesn't know the bible well, or he disagrees with the estimated dates for the construction of the pyramids. I suspect it's the former, not the latter. He definitely doesn't get my vote.