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That is normal here too, and it's more like 7-8 mph. So you can receive a ticket for impeding traffic even if the people you are supposedly obstructing would be
by developer1 11y ago
That is normal here too, and it's more like 7-8 mph. So you can receive a ticket for impeding traffic even if the people you are supposedly obstructing would be exceeding the speed limit? Instead of ticketing the slow guy, set up a sting and ticket every person exceeding the limit by more than 6 mph. This whole thing sounds backwards.
- twblalock 11y agoIt's a matter of public safety. Holding up a line of cars is likely to result in road rage, or an accident. It's also very rare for slow drivers to get ticketed.
- clort 11y agoIncitement to riot is no excuse for rioting, surely? Holding up a line of cars that would otherwise be driving too fast is not going to be the cause of an accident. The cause of the accident would be the driver who was driving too fast!
- nitrogen 11y agoThe point of traffic is to run an economy, not to parade at a precise speed for the amusement of deontologically obsessed nannies. If a line of traffic wants to go at speed+5, then the proper speed of traffic is speed+5, and going speed-5 is causing economic harm.
- TeMPOraL 11y agoYou need to balance it against the amount of disutility from deaths caused by the line going at speed+5 on a road where they were supposed to be going at speed. You need to also add the disutility generated by that line fucking up traffic flow in the nearby area. Seriously, this stuff is to be determined from top down, not from perspective of individual self-interested drivers with zero context, little responsiblity and no interest of ensuring optimum flow. Also, the general culture of aggression and disregard for law is something that is not healthy for neither society, nor economy.
- judk 11y agoHow very undemocratic of you. Sometimes the law from top down is incorrect. The experiences of stakeholders matters.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago> How very undemocratic of you. Yes, it is. So what? Democracy is not a silver bullet. Some problems it solves well, others it can't tackle. > Sometimes the law from top down is incorrect. Sometimes it is. And sometimes it isn't. I argue this is a case where top-down approach is the right one. > The experiences of stakeholders matters. I think health and life of innocent third parties should matter more.
- clort 11y agoI think that in reality, the innocent third parties concerned about their health and life on a road such as this are stakeholders. Moreover, there may be more of them so their needs would trump the few who simply wanted to drive fast and reach their destination 2 minutes earlier. I'm not suggesting that the non drivers should always get their way though. There are roads where cars are allowed to be driven faster than this, and roads where pedestrians are not permitted.
- cyber 11y agoRoad speeds need to be re-evaluated every 5 years. They take into account the speeds of traffic that are currently flowing on the road.
- Piskvorrr 11y agoBy inductive reasoning, the proper speed of traffic is equal to the maximum speed of the car, and anything less is causing economic harm. (#cc: That was sarcasm) In other words, that would only work for a traffic system which only moves one way, linearly, and has zero branches. Out there in meatspace, things are...a little bit more complex. Intersections and buses and trucks and pedestrians, oh my.
- nitrogen 11y agoTo clarify, I'm referring to freeways, not suburban neighborhoods. No pedestrians.
- talmand 11y agoTake humans out of that equation and I would agree. Otherwise, that kind of thinking gets people killed. Which, I suppose, you don't care about since you are more concerned over the minute details of the economy.
- DrScump 11y agoExcept that driving artificially slowly correlates well with being intoxicated... so being slow can call attention to oneself.
- mmmBacon 11y agoDriving substantially slower than the speed of traffic is extremely dangerous because of the potential speed differential. Relative velocity matters. Also Regensdorf is really pretty busy and all you're doing by going slow is pissing people off. If you want to go that slow, that's what side streets are for.
- clort 11y agoAn alternative viewpoint is that attempting to drive substantially faster than the slowest vehicle is extremely dangerous because of the potential speed differential. Relative velocity matters, as you know!