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Then don't call it autopilot

by simfoo 11y ago

Voloskaya 11y ago
It's in beta for a reason, and before using it, you have to accept a disclaimer clearly stating that you should not use it on road without a concrete separation between you and the opposite traffic, and you should not use it on road with sharp turns. This guy was clearly looking for the limit of the autopilot, and found it, nearly at the expense of others.
- speakeron 11y ago
  > It's in beta for a reason There's no place on the public roads for beta software in safety-critical sytems. In fact, it's highly irresponsible. Tesla need to verify this off-road and release a production version.
  - Voloskaya 11y ago
    Do you think they didn't verified it off-road? Beta (in this case) doesn't mean faulty or half-assed, but you cannot possibly encounter all real-life situations on your off-road closed track, hence the name Beta to stress that point. As far as I know there wasn't any issue with the autopilot when respecting the limitations stated by Tesla. Now if a driver want to disregard those warnings, He is being highly irresponsible, not Tesla. It's like blaming an auto manufacturer because you are able to do 100mph with your car in 30mph zones.
    - speakeron 11y ago
      > Do you think they didn't verified it off-road? Beta (in this case) doesn't mean faulty or half-assed I know what beta means: it means that it hasn't shown consistent behaviour in a production environment. It means that there are edge cases which aren't understood yet. It also means that there are desired features which haven't been implemented yet. It means a lot things, of which none give a warm feeling if you're sharing the road with said software. > As far as I know there wasn't any issue with the autopilot when respecting the limitations stated by Tesla Ok. Do you think the environment in the video is consistent with the limitations stated by Tesla? When I look at the video, I see a car driving irresponsibly fast past a queue of slow-moving or stationary vehicles which then saved its ass by slamming on the brakes. Automatic cars which drive like that should not be on the road.
      - Voloskaya 11y ago
        I think we cannot agree because we don't have the same definition about who should be responsible of what. This is probably because Tesla call this feature Autopilot, while it is just an Autosteer (they also use this name sometime). Autopilot gives the impression that the car should be autonomous and be able to drive itself, while this is really not the case. The car can only do basically 4 things: -Follow the road lines -Follow the car in front (this is what happen in this video) -OCR on the road sign to adjust it speed -Emergency breaking All the rest is currently the responsibility of the driver, including reducing the speed in dangerous situations (like this one), taking the wheel in sharp turns, taking the wheel in cities, doing stops at traffic lights etc. The Tesla is NOT (yet) an autonomous car, and if you drive it with that expectation, it can be very dangerous indeed.
melling 11y ago
The didn't call it self-driving, right? They called it something different told you to always keep your hands on the wheel.
oxplot 11y ago
It depends how 'autopilot' is defined. There are airplanes that have autopilot but all they can do is to keep the plane level. And there are others that can take off, land and do everything in between.
- frenchman_in_ny 11y ago
  Nitpick, but there's no autopilot for takeoffs. http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/automation-myths/ http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/automation-myths/
  - oxplot 11y ago
    Damn it, I knew this. Thanks for spotting it. =]
Cshelton 11y ago
I remember a few months ago taking a test dive and the Tesla rep was very quick to correct me when I called it "autopilot". He kept saying it is just a safety feature. This is a very important distinction because many states laws' will have problems with autonomous vehicles. Even at the municipality level; Some cities require you have one hand on the wheel at all times. The laws aren't ready for what's coming. So until then..."Safety Features"
zobzu 11y ago
Tesla a calls it autosteer not auto pilot
- speakeron 11y ago
  > Tesla a calls it autosteer not auto pilot They certainly use the term[1]: "Along with the new Autopilot feature...". [1]: http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/autopilot http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/autopilot
Crito 11y ago
"You're not supposed to use autopilot during takeoff sir." "Then don't call it autopilot" What exactly about the term autopilot makes you think it must be for all aspects of the journey? Real autopilot does not work like that, so where did you get the idea that car autopilot does?

Then don't call it autopilot

by simfoo 11y ago

Then don't call it autopilot

It's in beta for a reason, and before using it, you have to accept a disclaimer clearly stating that you should not use it on road without a concrete separation between you and the opposite traffic, and you should not use it on road with sharp turns. This guy was clearly looking for the limit of the autopilot, and found it, nearly at the expense of others.

speakeron 11y ago
> It's in beta for a reason There's no place on the public roads for beta software in safety-critical sytems. In fact, it's highly irresponsible. Tesla need to verify this off-road and release a production version.
- Voloskaya 11y ago
  Do you think they didn't verified it off-road? Beta (in this case) doesn't mean faulty or half-assed, but you cannot possibly encounter all real-life situations on your off-road closed track, hence the name Beta to stress that point. As far as I know there wasn't any issue with the autopilot when respecting the limitations stated by Tesla. Now if a driver want to disregard those warnings, He is being highly irresponsible, not Tesla. It's like blaming an auto manufacturer because you are able to do 100mph with your car in 30mph zones.
  - speakeron 11y ago
    > Do you think they didn't verified it off-road? Beta (in this case) doesn't mean faulty or half-assed I know what beta means: it means that it hasn't shown consistent behaviour in a production environment. It means that there are edge cases which aren't understood yet. It also means that there are desired features which haven't been implemented yet. It means a lot things, of which none give a warm feeling if you're sharing the road with said software. > As far as I know there wasn't any issue with the autopilot when respecting the limitations stated by Tesla Ok. Do you think the environment in the video is consistent with the limitations stated by Tesla? When I look at the video, I see a car driving irresponsibly fast past a queue of slow-moving or stationary vehicles which then saved its ass by slamming on the brakes. Automatic cars which drive like that should not be on the road.
    - Voloskaya 11y ago
      I think we cannot agree because we don't have the same definition about who should be responsible of what. This is probably because Tesla call this feature Autopilot, while it is just an Autosteer (they also use this name sometime). Autopilot gives the impression that the car should be autonomous and be able to drive itself, while this is really not the case. The car can only do basically 4 things: -Follow the road lines -Follow the car in front (this is what happen in this video) -OCR on the road sign to adjust it speed -Emergency breaking All the rest is currently the responsibility of the driver, including reducing the speed in dangerous situations (like this one), taking the wheel in sharp turns, taking the wheel in cities, doing stops at traffic lights etc. The Tesla is NOT (yet) an autonomous car, and if you drive it with that expectation, it can be very dangerous indeed.

melling 11y ago

The didn't call it self-driving, right? They called it something different told you to always keep your hands on the wheel.

oxplot 11y ago

It depends how 'autopilot' is defined. There are airplanes that have autopilot but all they can do is to keep the plane level. And there are others that can take off, land and do everything in between.

frenchman_in_ny 11y ago
Nitpick, but there's no autopilot for takeoffs. http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/automation-myths/ http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/automation-myths/
- oxplot 11y ago
  Damn it, I knew this. Thanks for spotting it. =]

Cshelton 11y ago

I remember a few months ago taking a test dive and the Tesla rep was very quick to correct me when I called it "autopilot". He kept saying it is just a safety feature. This is a very important distinction because many states laws' will have problems with autonomous vehicles. Even at the municipality level; Some cities require you have one hand on the wheel at all times. The laws aren't ready for what's coming. So until then..."Safety Features"

zobzu 11y ago

Tesla a calls it autosteer not auto pilot

speakeron 11y ago
> Tesla a calls it autosteer not auto pilot They certainly use the term[1]: "Along with the new Autopilot feature...". [1]: http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/autopilot http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/autopilot

Crito 11y ago

"You're not supposed to use autopilot during takeoff sir." "Then don't call it autopilot" What exactly about the term autopilot makes you think it must be for all aspects of the journey? Real autopilot does not work like that, so where did you get the idea that car autopilot does?