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> And as for "exclusive YouTube content" it makes zero sense to have the same monthly fee as Netflix and somehow think that PewDiePie is going to compete with O

by krstck 11y ago

> And as for "exclusive YouTube content" it makes zero sense to have the same monthly fee as Netflix and somehow think that PewDiePie is going to compete with Orange is the New Black or House of Cards. The (mostly teenage) audience for Youtube celebrities is massive, and is probably mostly invisible to you if you don't know any kids. I don't know whether they'd be willing to pay for a subscription service, but regardless of whether you think Netflix is higher quality than Youtube, there are many millions of people who get their entertainment mostly just from Youtube.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
...and I weep for a generation raised on LolCatz and FailzTeenThrob
- Someone1234 11y ago
  And your parents weeped for a generation raised by MTV. It is very easy to mis-characterise and or dismiss the younger generation's content, it is also ironic as your parents and their parents did exactly the same thing.
  - raldi 11y ago
    This "Rock-n-Roll" is just noise. And the Beatles need to cut their hair.
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      I'd laugh if I wasn't crying. Let me try it in essay form. The quality of the medium has gone up in 200 years; the quality of the message, down. This is documented. Read old literature, if you can. Its hard for us, with our 9 second attention spans, to follow the thread in old books with their page-long paragraphs. Not because they wrote badly; because we're no longer trained to understand complex ideas. Instead 4-minute songs with one lyric, distilled one-note thought pieces with sophomoric moralizing, videos pandering to the lowest emotion. Folks reading this will dismiss it as maudlin ranting, misplaced nostalgia. The trend has exceeded a single lifetime. Generations decry the drop in standards, because the standards drop. They had a long way to go, and we near the bottom. Its not about hair and noise. Its about the message. Which there's no longer any room for.
      - alphakappa 11y ago
        It is easy to create content now, so yes, there is a proliferation of low-quality content. That in no way implies that high quality content has been pushed out. There's still great literature, music, and yes even online content that is as great as or greater than anything created 200 years ago. Let the noise not mislead you into thinking that there is no signal behind it. Those who seek good content will still find it. Keep in mind that all these improvements in the medium have made content accessible to a much larger section of society than was possible a few hundred years ago, so society as a whole is better read, better educated, and more aware than this good old world of yore.
      - j_s 11y ago
        The second law of thermodynamics as applied to humanity! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
      - pjc50 11y ago
        What do you mean "we"? 200 years ago, ~40% of the population couldn't read at all: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/literacy-rates http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/literacy-rates
      - ergothus 11y ago
        And yet... I read a bit of philosophy. It's a delicate balance, because while I feel philosophy cover the truly important questions, some philosophers feel the need to inspect points I don't care much about (and ignore the big points to do so). Overtime, I came up with a theory - if you can't explain your theory in 2 pages, it's bullshit (or: the communication of it is bullshit). You might have a deep, layered theory, but every two pages I should be getting some jolt to my brain. Some pull it off, others do not. Am I showing a lack of patience and respect? Or are they simply being poor or inefficient communicators? I consider the most likely scenario to be that both are in play. And the former, in moderation, is necessary to address the latter. So while I strive to accept that my boredom or frustration is unjustified and should be reined in, I also (easily) accept that sometimes I'm right, and what's being done is longer/slower/off-topic too much.
      - 11y ago
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    You missed by about 20 years, but yeah. And no, I watched the same things as my parents on an old B&W TV every evening. This fracture has not been going on forever; its not healthy or natural; its only happened since TV hit the mainstream. For the first 1M years we all heard the same stories; we shared a culture.
    - wmeredith 11y ago
      Gonna need a citation there, buddy. Before TV it was radio, before radio it was movies, before movies it was Balzac, and so on and so forth...
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        So the slide goes a few more decades? I agree, that's probable.
    - yincrash 11y ago
      I would argue that culture is _way_ more homogenous now than it ever was in the first 1M years.
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        Across generations? That was the point.
    - pjc50 11y ago
      For the first 1M years we all heard the same stories; we shared a culture Pretty much any anthropologist is going to tell you that culture used to be hyper-local. And still is, in remote areas.
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        Across generations, was the point.
- xeromal 11y ago
  “The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.” ― Socrates
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    In his Greece it was true. Increasing luxury resulted in dropped standards of behavior. A pretty good analogy for today in fact.
- Splines 11y ago
  I think you underestimate both the different sort of people in the word and the sheer volume of human art and expression available. There will undoubtedly be kids "raised on LolCatz and FailzTeenThrob", but those will be a very tiny slice of humanity. And really, it's not anybody's place to say what someone else should or should not enjoy.
raldi 11y ago
This out-of-touchness reminds me of 1988, when adults were shocked to hear that Mario was now more recognizable to children than Mickey Mouse. Find someone with a 12-year-old kid, and ask them about the popularity of using mobile devices to watch YouTube stars.
- krstck 11y ago
  PewDiePie - just one Youtube channel - has almost 40 million subscribers. Even if a very small percentage pays the $10/mo subscription fee, the numbers here are still huge.
petercooper 11y ago
I watch way more YouTube than regular TV and I'm in my mid 30s. I'm not really a PewDiePie fan - he's OK - but I'd rather watch him screaming and playing games than most of the dull US drama that passes for "good TV" nowadays..
xeromal 11y ago
I didn't realize how big youtube was until I found out my girlfriend uses youtube to get ideas for makeup and how to apply it, clothing, recipes, reactions to things. Basically anything in real life has a reviewer, tester, or expert on it in youtube. There is a whole world on youtube.

by krstck 11y ago

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

...and I weep for a generation raised on LolCatz and FailzTeenThrob

Someone1234 11y ago
And your parents weeped for a generation raised by MTV. It is very easy to mis-characterise and or dismiss the younger generation's content, it is also ironic as your parents and their parents did exactly the same thing.
- raldi 11y ago
  This "Rock-n-Roll" is just noise. And the Beatles need to cut their hair.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    I'd laugh if I wasn't crying. Let me try it in essay form. The quality of the medium has gone up in 200 years; the quality of the message, down. This is documented. Read old literature, if you can. Its hard for us, with our 9 second attention spans, to follow the thread in old books with their page-long paragraphs. Not because they wrote badly; because we're no longer trained to understand complex ideas. Instead 4-minute songs with one lyric, distilled one-note thought pieces with sophomoric moralizing, videos pandering to the lowest emotion. Folks reading this will dismiss it as maudlin ranting, misplaced nostalgia. The trend has exceeded a single lifetime. Generations decry the drop in standards, because the standards drop. They had a long way to go, and we near the bottom. Its not about hair and noise. Its about the message. Which there's no longer any room for.
    - alphakappa 11y ago
      It is easy to create content now, so yes, there is a proliferation of low-quality content. That in no way implies that high quality content has been pushed out. There's still great literature, music, and yes even online content that is as great as or greater than anything created 200 years ago. Let the noise not mislead you into thinking that there is no signal behind it. Those who seek good content will still find it. Keep in mind that all these improvements in the medium have made content accessible to a much larger section of society than was possible a few hundred years ago, so society as a whole is better read, better educated, and more aware than this good old world of yore.
    - j_s 11y ago
      The second law of thermodynamics as applied to humanity! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
    - pjc50 11y ago
      What do you mean "we"? 200 years ago, ~40% of the population couldn't read at all: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/literacy-rates http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/literacy-rates
    - ergothus 11y ago
      And yet... I read a bit of philosophy. It's a delicate balance, because while I feel philosophy cover the truly important questions, some philosophers feel the need to inspect points I don't care much about (and ignore the big points to do so). Overtime, I came up with a theory - if you can't explain your theory in 2 pages, it's bullshit (or: the communication of it is bullshit). You might have a deep, layered theory, but every two pages I should be getting some jolt to my brain. Some pull it off, others do not. Am I showing a lack of patience and respect? Or are they simply being poor or inefficient communicators? I consider the most likely scenario to be that both are in play. And the former, in moderation, is necessary to address the latter. So while I strive to accept that my boredom or frustration is unjustified and should be reined in, I also (easily) accept that sometimes I'm right, and what's being done is longer/slower/off-topic too much.
    - 11y ago
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  You missed by about 20 years, but yeah. And no, I watched the same things as my parents on an old B&W TV every evening. This fracture has not been going on forever; its not healthy or natural; its only happened since TV hit the mainstream. For the first 1M years we all heard the same stories; we shared a culture.
  - wmeredith 11y ago
    Gonna need a citation there, buddy. Before TV it was radio, before radio it was movies, before movies it was Balzac, and so on and so forth...
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      So the slide goes a few more decades? I agree, that's probable.
  - yincrash 11y ago
    I would argue that culture is _way_ more homogenous now than it ever was in the first 1M years.
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      Across generations? That was the point.
  - pjc50 11y ago
    For the first 1M years we all heard the same stories; we shared a culture Pretty much any anthropologist is going to tell you that culture used to be hyper-local. And still is, in remote areas.
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      Across generations, was the point.
xeromal 11y ago
“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.” ― Socrates
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  In his Greece it was true. Increasing luxury resulted in dropped standards of behavior. A pretty good analogy for today in fact.
Splines 11y ago
I think you underestimate both the different sort of people in the word and the sheer volume of human art and expression available. There will undoubtedly be kids "raised on LolCatz and FailzTeenThrob", but those will be a very tiny slice of humanity. And really, it's not anybody's place to say what someone else should or should not enjoy.

raldi 11y ago

This out-of-touchness reminds me of 1988, when adults were shocked to hear that Mario was now more recognizable to children than Mickey Mouse. Find someone with a 12-year-old kid, and ask them about the popularity of using mobile devices to watch YouTube stars.

krstck 11y ago
PewDiePie - just one Youtube channel - has almost 40 million subscribers. Even if a very small percentage pays the $10/mo subscription fee, the numbers here are still huge.

petercooper 11y ago

I watch way more YouTube than regular TV and I'm in my mid 30s. I'm not really a PewDiePie fan - he's OK - but I'd rather watch him screaming and playing games than most of the dull US drama that passes for "good TV" nowadays..

xeromal 11y ago

I didn't realize how big youtube was until I found out my girlfriend uses youtube to get ideas for makeup and how to apply it, clothing, recipes, reactions to things. Basically anything in real life has a reviewer, tester, or expert on it in youtube. There is a whole world on youtube.