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Spending two years with IndieWeb convinced me that people generally are not interested in sustainable solutions as long as centralized services make it more con

by hmans 11y ago

Spending two years with IndieWeb convinced me that people generally are not interested in sustainable solutions as long as centralized services make it more convenient to post cat pictures. (Also see: Slack vs. IRC)

twsted 11y ago
You are probably right. But perhaps this will change in the future for some kind of services.
- reitoei 11y ago
  Not probably right, absolutely right. And no, it won't change in the future. 99.99999% of regular people couldn't give a crap about underlying architecture or engineering.
  - pmlnr 11y ago
    Sustainability != engineering or architecture, it's about not losing your own data ( and memories with them ); so if more and more people are effected with DMCA takedows, 3 strike policies, they might become interested. See http://justhugo.com/2015/10/16/freedom/ http://justhugo.com/2015/10/16/freedom/ for example.
    - reitoei 11y ago
      It matters to you, me, other hacker news users, and the guy in the article with the "code is poetry" tattoo (shudder)... but not your average user. IMHO.
    - pjc50 11y ago
      Non-technical people are going to be at more risk of total data loss if they try to store it themselves, sadly. This is a big part of why cloud services have taken off: they're outsourcing all the sysadmin for you. Takedowns are never going to go beyond a fraction of a percent of the population.
  - EGreg 11y ago
    Regular people don't but organizations do. Having control over your own open source installation means: Not worrying about being charged Being able to install the plugins you want Being able to customize themes and appearance Having sensitive info stay in-house Not having to put up with a one-size-fits-all policy for eg comments or real names
EGreg 11y ago
IndieWeb seems to still be active. Is it just a community of people making communities? Or what? Anyway, the big fatal flaw in all this is that the technology isn't the only thing. You need adoption. You need a social network with at least a million people on it already. Then you can deploy it to various networks as open source. You need something for social the way Wordpress is for blogs. Not totally peer to peer distributed. But something that an organization installs locally. Hubzilla says all the right stuff but how many users do they have? We have 300,000 at the moment. http://platform.qbix.com http://platform.qbix.com
- jeena 11y ago
  Just FYI,there are plugins for your wordpress installation to connect to the rest of the social indieweb community https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/

by hmans 11y ago

twsted 11y ago

You are probably right. But perhaps this will change in the future for some kind of services.

reitoei 11y ago
Not probably right, absolutely right. And no, it won't change in the future. 99.99999% of regular people couldn't give a crap about underlying architecture or engineering.
- pmlnr 11y ago
  Sustainability != engineering or architecture, it's about not losing your own data ( and memories with them ); so if more and more people are effected with DMCA takedows, 3 strike policies, they might become interested. See http://justhugo.com/2015/10/16/freedom/ http://justhugo.com/2015/10/16/freedom/ for example.
  - reitoei 11y ago
    It matters to you, me, other hacker news users, and the guy in the article with the "code is poetry" tattoo (shudder)... but not your average user. IMHO.
  - pjc50 11y ago
    Non-technical people are going to be at more risk of total data loss if they try to store it themselves, sadly. This is a big part of why cloud services have taken off: they're outsourcing all the sysadmin for you. Takedowns are never going to go beyond a fraction of a percent of the population.
- EGreg 11y ago
  Regular people don't but organizations do. Having control over your own open source installation means: Not worrying about being charged Being able to install the plugins you want Being able to customize themes and appearance Having sensitive info stay in-house Not having to put up with a one-size-fits-all policy for eg comments or real names

EGreg 11y ago

IndieWeb seems to still be active. Is it just a community of people making communities? Or what? Anyway, the big fatal flaw in all this is that the technology isn't the only thing. You need adoption. You need a social network with at least a million people on it already. Then you can deploy it to various networks as open source. You need something for social the way Wordpress is for blogs. Not totally peer to peer distributed. But something that an organization installs locally. Hubzilla says all the right stuff but how many users do they have? We have 300,000 at the moment. http://platform.qbix.com http://platform.qbix.com

jeena 11y ago
Just FYI,there are plugins for your wordpress installation to connect to the rest of the social indieweb community https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/