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We didn't keep continents Europe/Asia free when we populated them. Horses, sheep, wheat, etc to the Americas and Australia were important advances. I bet when

by cam- 11y ago

We didn't keep continents Europe/Asia free when we populated them. Horses, sheep, wheat, etc to the Americas and Australia were important advances. I bet when we start populating other worlds, they will become Terran for the simple reason that the ecosystem around us is great for supporting us.

mhurron 11y ago
> the ecosystem around us is great for supporting us. Except we suck at supporting it. The idea of humanity terraforming another planet are hilarious, we can't run one that was handed to us running and self-sufficient.
- qrendel 11y ago
  Introducing a dominant civilization to a planet would more likely cause a sort of regression towards the mean in ecosystem diversity, at least over the short- to medium-term. In a highly complex and delicately-balanced ecosystem (i.e. Earth) it tends to reduce diversity as species and ecosystems are pushed aside, whereas in a non-existent ecosystem (i.e. Mars) it would cause something to exist in the first place, even if the system isn't as complex as what evolved on Earth over billions of years. There would certainly be more life on Mars after it was colonized, not less - even if that at first only consists of a few dozen species used to support humans.
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    You should not overstate how Earth ecosystem is "delicately balanced". Large deserts where vegetation used to be. Ice ages (and inter-ice periods) really messed up northern fauna: all megafauna went extinct, wooly rhinos, mammoths, sabertooth tigers, etc. Without them the ecosystem is incomplete and disbalanced.
    - Retra 11y ago
      Compared to what? What parameters are you 'balancing?'
      - guard-of-terra 11y ago
        In my opinion, balanced ecosystem is one that a) diverse, b) produces as much as life as possible for a given landscape. Why diverse? Diverse ecosystems are more resilient against shocks, changes and diseases.
rangibaby 11y ago
Imported species in Australia have caused an ecological disaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Australia The same is true for New Zealand.

by cam- 11y ago

mhurron 11y ago

> the ecosystem around us is great for supporting us. Except we suck at supporting it. The idea of humanity terraforming another planet are hilarious, we can't run one that was handed to us running and self-sufficient.

qrendel 11y ago
Introducing a dominant civilization to a planet would more likely cause a sort of regression towards the mean in ecosystem diversity, at least over the short- to medium-term. In a highly complex and delicately-balanced ecosystem (i.e. Earth) it tends to reduce diversity as species and ecosystems are pushed aside, whereas in a non-existent ecosystem (i.e. Mars) it would cause something to exist in the first place, even if the system isn't as complex as what evolved on Earth over billions of years. There would certainly be more life on Mars after it was colonized, not less - even if that at first only consists of a few dozen species used to support humans.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  You should not overstate how Earth ecosystem is "delicately balanced". Large deserts where vegetation used to be. Ice ages (and inter-ice periods) really messed up northern fauna: all megafauna went extinct, wooly rhinos, mammoths, sabertooth tigers, etc. Without them the ecosystem is incomplete and disbalanced.
  - Retra 11y ago
    Compared to what? What parameters are you 'balancing?'
    - guard-of-terra 11y ago
      In my opinion, balanced ecosystem is one that a) diverse, b) produces as much as life as possible for a given landscape. Why diverse? Diverse ecosystems are more resilient against shocks, changes and diseases.

rangibaby 11y ago

Imported species in Australia have caused an ecological disaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Australia The same is true for New Zealand.