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Thanks again! Let's have another date. Email me! edit: Update: It's happening!!!!!! Thanks, HN.

by alexis 11y ago

staunch 11y ago
Thank you! Would love to talk some more. Sent.
ForFreedom 11y ago
@alexis Why on a wordpress VIP? http://ajean.net/reddits-news-website-upvoted-com/ http://ajean.net/reddits-news-website-upvoted-com/
- on_ 11y ago
  Wordpress is an extremely new framework, so it will be new to a lot of developers, but it provides an extremely performant developer friendly product. One drawback is that it is highly specialized, so it only had a few applications but luckily upvoted fits into this niche. Hosting is really still a problem as their is a lack of providers and a steep complexity curve. No one has really provided a flexible way to host a platform like wordpress and coupled with the lack of maturity and bleeding edge nature it makes sense that they went with a managed hosting service. Even as new as the organization is, they have a great array of security products and plugins which will certainly shield it from the less scrupulous users. This is going to likely be the first major company using wordpress, but I bet it could be a platform that will underpin a large percentage of websites.
  - heathwblack 11y ago
    PM at reddit here... ^What this individual said is way better than I could say it, but is basically why we chose Wordpress VIP ^ In addition the Wordpress VIP program has much higher standards for plugins and security, which are things we care about greatly. Lots of great publications use VIP like Techcrunch, FiveThirtyEight, Facebook, and Time.
    - on_ 11y ago
      Awesome, that is what I thought. PHP is one of those languages that wasn't designed by committee so there isn't that much documentation about it, but the founder built it specifically as scalable programming language and had been designing languages for years. I can see it replacing newer languages like nodeJS, Go and PERL in the future. In the next couple years people will start realizing that the consistency, speed and security offset the lack of communities using it, and I can see it becoming really popular. Wordpress will become big as well as LAMP architectures are really hot right now, and not a lot projects provide a CMS that has a minimal UI that provides only what a user needs and that makes it a really lightweight choice for a CMS. No bloat, high security and a trendy new design. Excited to see vip.wordpress finally getting some love!
      - cryptophreak 11y ago
        Is this a troll account?
        on_ 11y ago
        No sorry, I am usually a thoughtful commenter but that was a satirical comment which I doubled down on.
        meowface 11y ago
        You made HN much more enjoyable for me today. Please consider continuing this trend in the future. I'm also a big fan of the "Node.js evangelist" who pops up in /r/programming.
        on_ 11y ago
        Really means a lot. If you ever need a confidence boost though you should checkout 3000[0], I hear that developer is fucking killing it. [0]localhost:3000
        bcoates 11y ago
  - falcolas 11y ago
    > Wordpress is an extremely new framework Unless we're thinking of two very different blogging platforms, Wordpress is pretty much exactly the opposite of "extremely new". Can you please elaborate on why you consider it to be extremely new and unfamiliar to a lot of developers? > steep complexity curve Brought on by the basic insecurity of the Wordpress blogging platform. Executable PHP in the Database, as a single example... > No one has really provided a flexible way to host a platform like wordpress Sorry? Wordpress hosts have been around for years, again, I'm really not understanding what you're trying to convey here. > This is going to likely be the first major company using wordpress You mean, aside from just about everybody; Wired coming to mind as a recent, big example. I feel like I'm really missing some context here. EDIT: Satire. Got it. Of course, then there's the question of whether the +1 response by heathwblack is also satire, or... :D
    - s_kilk 11y ago
      I'm almost certain the comment you're replying to is satire. I had to read through it twice to be sure though. It's either satire or coming from a parallel universe where everything is upside-down.
      - scrollaway 11y ago
        Wouldnt this be called Downvoted then?
    - mtberatwork 11y ago
      I think on_ is just trying to be whimsical...
    - paublyrne 11y ago
      I think the parent is being ironic.
    - on_ 11y ago
      Yeah, I am sorry. I hardly ever make comments like this and it is doubly dubious because I lost my account recently, but this was meant to be satire. When the PM responded, I couldn't help myself but double down. My account is new so it does look like a straight troll account but I was just having a bit of fun. TBH, as I stated in another comment ITT, wordpress provides a really easy way to test out this concept. I expanded my thoughts on the concept in that comment, but as to wordpress: I bet reddit is just getting crushed with improvements and the engineering team is overworked. It is really easy and inexpensive to test this concept out without losing developer bandwith. wordpress provides a pretty good CMS (obviously bloated, [standard other wordpress criticsims], etc.) but they can get a tight feedback cycle on this idea and it could successful, but if not, will not be resource intensive. I generally wish them the best of luck, they need something to work at a monetization level, and I hope this helps as it likely is not the long term solution. I had a rough first experience with wordpress for a client recently and I just had to vent.
  - Shadow6363 11y ago
    Am I just misreading this or completely uninformed on something, but since when is Wordpress extremely new? In your child comment, you say "I can see it replacing newer languages like nodeJS, Go and PERL in the future. In the next couple years people will start realizing that the consistency, speed and security offset the lack of communities using it, and I can see it becoming really popular." Again, I feel like I'm in a time warp, but when have those three things been qualities of PHP? Also, PHP has been huge for years. Node.JS and Go have only recently been taking over. I'm so confused…
    - on_ 11y ago
      > I feel like I'm in a time warp Perl 6 was just released, and is at the top of HN. ;)
  - mcantelon 11y ago
    It seems a little weird to see a company as big as Reddit succumbing the "new and shiny" mentality, though. I guess this is kind of a Reddit side project, but still... I don't get why they're betting everything on such a new framework (an open source one at that: who's going to support it?) when tried and true solutions such as StoryServer are available.
    - on_ 11y ago
      I think the reddit core programmers (Stallman, DHH, Linus Torvalds and Al Gore) have been itching to sink their teeth into something with more depth. StoryServer is a strong offering, but ultimately the team was worried that even though CNET rebranded storyserver from PRISM when they acquired it people would confuse it with the NSA program PRISM (rebranded as Facebook in the US). Totally correct though, I am a little rusty with storyserver and I should pick it back up (we've been using facetime and a sharpie marker as our backend).
- alexis 11y ago
  Heath did the diligence, so I'll ask him to chime in, but my only requirement was that we ask as little of our FT Reddit devs as possible.

Thanks again! Let's have another date. Email me! edit: Update: It's happening!!!!!! Thanks, HN.

by alexis 11y ago

Thanks again! Let's have another date. Email me! edit: Update: It's happening!!!!!! Thanks, HN.

staunch 11y ago

Thank you! Would love to talk some more. Sent.

ForFreedom 11y ago

@alexis Why on a wordpress VIP? http://ajean.net/reddits-news-website-upvoted-com/ http://ajean.net/reddits-news-website-upvoted-com/

on_ 11y ago
Wordpress is an extremely new framework, so it will be new to a lot of developers, but it provides an extremely performant developer friendly product. One drawback is that it is highly specialized, so it only had a few applications but luckily upvoted fits into this niche. Hosting is really still a problem as their is a lack of providers and a steep complexity curve. No one has really provided a flexible way to host a platform like wordpress and coupled with the lack of maturity and bleeding edge nature it makes sense that they went with a managed hosting service. Even as new as the organization is, they have a great array of security products and plugins which will certainly shield it from the less scrupulous users. This is going to likely be the first major company using wordpress, but I bet it could be a platform that will underpin a large percentage of websites.
- heathwblack 11y ago
  PM at reddit here... ^What this individual said is way better than I could say it, but is basically why we chose Wordpress VIP ^ In addition the Wordpress VIP program has much higher standards for plugins and security, which are things we care about greatly. Lots of great publications use VIP like Techcrunch, FiveThirtyEight, Facebook, and Time.
  - on_ 11y ago
    Awesome, that is what I thought. PHP is one of those languages that wasn't designed by committee so there isn't that much documentation about it, but the founder built it specifically as scalable programming language and had been designing languages for years. I can see it replacing newer languages like nodeJS, Go and PERL in the future. In the next couple years people will start realizing that the consistency, speed and security offset the lack of communities using it, and I can see it becoming really popular. Wordpress will become big as well as LAMP architectures are really hot right now, and not a lot projects provide a CMS that has a minimal UI that provides only what a user needs and that makes it a really lightweight choice for a CMS. No bloat, high security and a trendy new design. Excited to see vip.wordpress finally getting some love!
    - cryptophreak 11y ago
      Is this a troll account?
      - on_ 11y ago
        No sorry, I am usually a thoughtful commenter but that was a satirical comment which I doubled down on.
        meowface 11y ago
        You made HN much more enjoyable for me today. Please consider continuing this trend in the future. I'm also a big fan of the "Node.js evangelist" who pops up in /r/programming.
        on_ 11y ago
        Really means a lot. If you ever need a confidence boost though you should checkout 3000[0], I hear that developer is fucking killing it. [0]localhost:3000
      - bcoates 11y ago
- falcolas 11y ago
  > Wordpress is an extremely new framework Unless we're thinking of two very different blogging platforms, Wordpress is pretty much exactly the opposite of "extremely new". Can you please elaborate on why you consider it to be extremely new and unfamiliar to a lot of developers? > steep complexity curve Brought on by the basic insecurity of the Wordpress blogging platform. Executable PHP in the Database, as a single example... > No one has really provided a flexible way to host a platform like wordpress Sorry? Wordpress hosts have been around for years, again, I'm really not understanding what you're trying to convey here. > This is going to likely be the first major company using wordpress You mean, aside from just about everybody; Wired coming to mind as a recent, big example. I feel like I'm really missing some context here. EDIT: Satire. Got it. Of course, then there's the question of whether the +1 response by heathwblack is also satire, or... :D
  - s_kilk 11y ago
    I'm almost certain the comment you're replying to is satire. I had to read through it twice to be sure though. It's either satire or coming from a parallel universe where everything is upside-down.
    - scrollaway 11y ago
      Wouldnt this be called Downvoted then?
  - mtberatwork 11y ago
    I think on_ is just trying to be whimsical...
  - paublyrne 11y ago
    I think the parent is being ironic.
  - on_ 11y ago
    Yeah, I am sorry. I hardly ever make comments like this and it is doubly dubious because I lost my account recently, but this was meant to be satire. When the PM responded, I couldn't help myself but double down. My account is new so it does look like a straight troll account but I was just having a bit of fun. TBH, as I stated in another comment ITT, wordpress provides a really easy way to test out this concept. I expanded my thoughts on the concept in that comment, but as to wordpress: I bet reddit is just getting crushed with improvements and the engineering team is overworked. It is really easy and inexpensive to test this concept out without losing developer bandwith. wordpress provides a pretty good CMS (obviously bloated, [standard other wordpress criticsims], etc.) but they can get a tight feedback cycle on this idea and it could successful, but if not, will not be resource intensive. I generally wish them the best of luck, they need something to work at a monetization level, and I hope this helps as it likely is not the long term solution. I had a rough first experience with wordpress for a client recently and I just had to vent.
- Shadow6363 11y ago
  Am I just misreading this or completely uninformed on something, but since when is Wordpress extremely new? In your child comment, you say "I can see it replacing newer languages like nodeJS, Go and PERL in the future. In the next couple years people will start realizing that the consistency, speed and security offset the lack of communities using it, and I can see it becoming really popular." Again, I feel like I'm in a time warp, but when have those three things been qualities of PHP? Also, PHP has been huge for years. Node.JS and Go have only recently been taking over. I'm so confused…
  - on_ 11y ago
    > I feel like I'm in a time warp Perl 6 was just released, and is at the top of HN. ;)
- mcantelon 11y ago
  It seems a little weird to see a company as big as Reddit succumbing the "new and shiny" mentality, though. I guess this is kind of a Reddit side project, but still... I don't get why they're betting everything on such a new framework (an open source one at that: who's going to support it?) when tried and true solutions such as StoryServer are available.
  - on_ 11y ago
    I think the reddit core programmers (Stallman, DHH, Linus Torvalds and Al Gore) have been itching to sink their teeth into something with more depth. StoryServer is a strong offering, but ultimately the team was worried that even though CNET rebranded storyserver from PRISM when they acquired it people would confuse it with the NSA program PRISM (rebranded as Facebook in the US). Totally correct though, I am a little rusty with storyserver and I should pick it back up (we've been using facetime and a sharpie marker as our backend).
alexis 11y ago
Heath did the diligence, so I'll ask him to chime in, but my only requirement was that we ask as little of our FT Reddit devs as possible.