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Hasn't Europe and many parts of Asia been like this for years? World's first = US' first?

by ashu 17y ago

cubicle67 17y ago
Add Australia in there as well. Most phones, including the iPhone, are available here unlocked and can be used on any carrier
- netcan 17y ago
  Technically true, but almost all phones are acquired via subsidies anyway. If you BYO device you get no real cost reduction unless you want a very high end device on a very low end plan or some other end case. The only segment where BYO phone is strong is in prepaid. You do actually save money by not being on a plan but this isn't the option most people go for. People don't see it as the "grown-up" option. Not many people do you think buy an iphone from Apple for $1040(http://store.apple.com/au/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone http://store.apple.com/au/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iph...). They get it from Optus or something for $10 p/m or free. http://personal.optus.com.au/web/ocaportal.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=Template_woRHS&FP=/personal/mobile/iphone3G&site=personal http://personal.optus.com.au/web/ocaportal.portal?_nfpb=true...
  - hrabago 17y ago
    > Technically true, but almost all phones are acquired via subsidies anyway. Again, yes, in the US. In some Asian countries, you can walk into any mall and there will be any number of stores selling new or used cellphones all of which are unlocked. > People don't see it as the "grown up" option. Again, this is limited to particular cultures. In some countries, prepaid is the norm, not the exception. People keep their numbers and switch phones as they move from one phone to the next, and buy only as much load as they need. (USD 0.20 good for 10 SMS messages)
    - netcan 17y ago
      I was referring to Australia (in response to the grandparent).
    - cakesy 17y ago
      Prepaid is huge in the UK, so much so that you can get topups for your mobile in almost any shop of ATM (of course, they call them cash machines). I was amazed in Australia that it is so limited, and such a PITA.
    - parbo 17y ago
      In Sweden there is a law stating that numbers have to be portable across carriers, no need to use pre-paid to achieve that.
      - kgrin 17y ago
        That's also true in the US
jsz0 17y ago
It's not really new in the US either. You can buy most phones unsubsidized. iPhone 3GS is $599 from AT&T with no service commitment for example. Same problem with incompatible 3G frequencies though. The big problem is US carriers charge you basically the same amount if you take the subsidy or not. The only flexibility you gain is no service contract but due to competing wireless standards and frequencies you're still very limited in carrier choice. Google is using the same business model as everyone else.
- lutorm 17y ago
  You can get prepaid if you don't have a service contract. It of course depends on your usage pattern whether it ends up being cheaper, but it's very common in Sweden.
- stanleydrew 17y ago
  You can get a 3GS without a service contract from AT&T but won't the phone still be locked?
  - jsz0 17y ago
    Yeah probably but more importantly you're functionally locked into AT&T if you want 3G and anyone spending $600 on a phone presumably wants 3G service. So you're stuck with AT&T or stuck with T-Mobile if you get an "unlocked" Nexsus One.
GeneralMaximus 17y ago
Indeed. In India, most phones are available unlocked. Also: (1) SMS and voice calls are dirt cheap on most networks, (2) there are no arbitrary vendor lock-ins, (3) voice quality on most networks is very, very good and (4) there are many, many mobile carriers to choose from. We still need number portability and affordable mobile Internet, though. Ah well. EDIT: s/India/New Delhi. I'm not sure about the state of mobile networks in other parts of the country.
- FraaJad 17y ago
  It's the same all over India. /Bangalorean.
Xixi 17y ago
Europe is a collection of countries, so your millage will vary a lot from country to country. But yes for instance in France it's like that: permanent exclusivity is illegal, though short temporary ones are allowed. Orange (illegal) exclusivity on the iPhone was broken in April 2009 and since then all operators are selling it. Consequence : 2 million iPhones sold in 2009, more than 50% of the smartphone market shares, and 3G networks that have a hard time following the pace...
henrikschroder 17y ago
"Wouldn't it be great if Apple ran a similarly carrier-independent iPhone store, or Nokia did the same with its smartphone lineup?" They've done it for years, but not in the US. http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?search_id=47 http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?search_i...
- henrikschroder 17y ago
  Funny thing, I was just gonna check out the US Nokia website to see what it would look like without the store, and it turns out they already have one: http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/shophome_10500_10101_-1 http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/shophome_10...
  - jcl 17y ago
    They might as well have one; they sell more than just phones, and some of their phones (e.g. N900) have not yet been adopted as subsidized models by U.S. carriers.

Hasn't Europe and many parts of Asia been like this for years? World's first = US' first?

by ashu 17y ago

Hasn't Europe and many parts of Asia been like this for years? World's first = US' first?

Add Australia in there as well. Most phones, including the iPhone, are available here unlocked and can be used on any carrier

netcan 17y ago
Technically true, but almost all phones are acquired via subsidies anyway. If you BYO device you get no real cost reduction unless you want a very high end device on a very low end plan or some other end case. The only segment where BYO phone is strong is in prepaid. You do actually save money by not being on a plan but this isn't the option most people go for. People don't see it as the "grown-up" option. Not many people do you think buy an iphone from Apple for $1040(http://store.apple.com/au/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone http://store.apple.com/au/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iph...). They get it from Optus or something for $10 p/m or free. http://personal.optus.com.au/web/ocaportal.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=Template_woRHS&FP=/personal/mobile/iphone3G&site=personal http://personal.optus.com.au/web/ocaportal.portal?_nfpb=true...
- hrabago 17y ago
  > Technically true, but almost all phones are acquired via subsidies anyway. Again, yes, in the US. In some Asian countries, you can walk into any mall and there will be any number of stores selling new or used cellphones all of which are unlocked. > People don't see it as the "grown up" option. Again, this is limited to particular cultures. In some countries, prepaid is the norm, not the exception. People keep their numbers and switch phones as they move from one phone to the next, and buy only as much load as they need. (USD 0.20 good for 10 SMS messages)
  - netcan 17y ago
    I was referring to Australia (in response to the grandparent).
  - cakesy 17y ago
    Prepaid is huge in the UK, so much so that you can get topups for your mobile in almost any shop of ATM (of course, they call them cash machines). I was amazed in Australia that it is so limited, and such a PITA.
  - parbo 17y ago
    In Sweden there is a law stating that numbers have to be portable across carriers, no need to use pre-paid to achieve that.
    - kgrin 17y ago
      That's also true in the US

jsz0 17y ago

It's not really new in the US either. You can buy most phones unsubsidized. iPhone 3GS is $599 from AT&T with no service commitment for example. Same problem with incompatible 3G frequencies though. The big problem is US carriers charge you basically the same amount if you take the subsidy or not. The only flexibility you gain is no service contract but due to competing wireless standards and frequencies you're still very limited in carrier choice. Google is using the same business model as everyone else.

lutorm 17y ago
You can get prepaid if you don't have a service contract. It of course depends on your usage pattern whether it ends up being cheaper, but it's very common in Sweden.
stanleydrew 17y ago
You can get a 3GS without a service contract from AT&T but won't the phone still be locked?
- jsz0 17y ago
  Yeah probably but more importantly you're functionally locked into AT&T if you want 3G and anyone spending $600 on a phone presumably wants 3G service. So you're stuck with AT&T or stuck with T-Mobile if you get an "unlocked" Nexsus One.

GeneralMaximus 17y ago

Indeed. In India, most phones are available unlocked. Also: (1) SMS and voice calls are dirt cheap on most networks, (2) there are no arbitrary vendor lock-ins, (3) voice quality on most networks is very, very good and (4) there are many, many mobile carriers to choose from. We still need number portability and affordable mobile Internet, though. Ah well. EDIT: s/India/New Delhi. I'm not sure about the state of mobile networks in other parts of the country.

FraaJad 17y ago
It's the same all over India. /Bangalorean.

Xixi 17y ago

Europe is a collection of countries, so your millage will vary a lot from country to country. But yes for instance in France it's like that: permanent exclusivity is illegal, though short temporary ones are allowed. Orange (illegal) exclusivity on the iPhone was broken in April 2009 and since then all operators are selling it. Consequence : 2 million iPhones sold in 2009, more than 50% of the smartphone market shares, and 3G networks that have a hard time following the pace...

henrikschroder 17y ago

"Wouldn't it be great if Apple ran a similarly carrier-independent iPhone store, or Nokia did the same with its smartphone lineup?" They've done it for years, but not in the US. http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?search_id=47 http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?search_i...

henrikschroder 17y ago
Funny thing, I was just gonna check out the US Nokia website to see what it would look like without the store, and it turns out they already have one: http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/shophome_10500_10101_-1 http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/shophome_10...
- jcl 17y ago
  They might as well have one; they sell more than just phones, and some of their phones (e.g. N900) have not yet been adopted as subsidized models by U.S. carriers.